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08-May-2008 | Grig

Posted on 05/08/2008 5:04:47 PM PDT by Grig

I am posting this on behalf of many LDS freepers. They will post their own 'signature' to this in the comments below. --- Some of you have noticed lately a lot of LDS (ie: Mormon) threads here on FR. I'm going to tell you why.

For many years there have been several active LDS freepers here. We post to all the forums on relevant issues, and were happy to have a site where conservative values were so openly welcomed.

Those conservative values include faith in God, and freedom of religion. We fully respect the rights of all posters to express their opinions and views on religious matters, even when people choose to use those rights to express criticism of our own faith. We also support the ideas embodied in FR rules against religion bashing. There is no need for hostility and there should be no room for bigotry on FR. Every religion has it's miracles and mysteries. Every faith has things in it that are not or can not be proven, and things that run contrary to what secular science would have us believe. Someone mature and confident in their own faith generally doesn't feel the need to belittle the faith of others.

We have, to the best of our ability, conducted ourselves with civility and dignity. We do not feel that that respect has been returned by some posters (putting it mildly).

When Mormon missionaries were murdered, the moderators were kept busy pulling jubilant posts off the thread. When Elizabeth Smart was abducted from her home, we contended for months with posters who appeared to be motivated by religious bigotry doing all they could to smear the family and accuse the father. Several posters openly admitted their religious motivation in opposing Mitt Romney and confessed that no matter how conservative any Mormon was, they would never vote for one for President of the USA. When the Pope died, I don't think any Mormon poster posted anything unkind, yet the thread about the passing of our President recently needed many comments removed.

Nearly every thread having any connection with Mormons, or Utah winds up being hijacked by anti-Mormon activists who copy and paste the same false accusations over and over even when it has been clearly and factually pointed out to them on multiple occasions that they are bearing false witness against our faith. Everything possible is done by these activists to make FR a hostile place for Mormons, and for at least some of them, bashing Mormonism is all they do here. Their most recent project is trying to blur the fact that the polygamous FLDS is a separate and distinct religion from ours, just as Lutherans are a separate and distinct religion from Catholicism.

In our opinion, such poster do a great disservice to FR and to their fellow freepers by spreading disinformation and promoting hostility towards a people known for walking the walk of conservative values.

Why the moderators here don't see the behavior of these anti-Mormon activists as religion bashing is a mystery to us, but it is the moderators call to make and we respect their right to do so. That doesn't mean we have to be passive however. We have all spent many hours refuting the accusations leveled at our faith, but these wind up buried deep in a flood of comments, effectively shouting us down.

Recently some of us have decided to take a more proactive approach. Rather than try to wrestle the pig into taking a bath, we are just going to hose it down. We will actively define our faith here rather than just respond to accusations.

So expect to see lots of Mormon threads, now and for as long as we see fit to keep posting them (although probably not as many as there are Catholic threads). They will be about our basic doctrines and responses to common accusations. If you want to know what our faith is about, read the articles we post. We will post them as open threads and I encourage you to compare the difference in tone and spirit between what we post and what our critics say.


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To: wardaddy
You’re quite right and many of the nastiest Mormon bashers are not here...yet.

SOME of us have REAL lives...

201 posted on 05/08/2008 8:48:11 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: netmilsmom

Maybe you should read the post I was responding to.


202 posted on 05/08/2008 8:49:42 PM PDT by JRochelle (Keep sweet means shut up and take it.)
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To: Grig

If the moderators believe it should be moved, it will be moved.


203 posted on 05/08/2008 8:50:09 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: CharlesWayneCT
As to the general claim, I think we get too sensitive when others claim our religion is false, because it seems so obvious to me that that must be what most people think.
 
Have a SPECIFIC claim then!

 
 
 
KJV 1 Corinthians 4:17
  For this cause have I sent unto you Timotheus, who is my beloved son, and faithful in the Lord, who shall bring you into remembrance of my ways which be in Christ, as I teach every where in every church.
 
KJV 1 Corinthians 11:2
   Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered them to you.
 
 KJV 2 Thessalonians 2:15
   Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
 
KJV 2 Timothy 1:13
   Hold fast the form of sound words, which thou hast heard of me, in faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.
 
KJV 2 Timothy 3:14-15
 14.  But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
 15.  And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
 

 
NIV Galatians 1:6-9
 6.  I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel--
 7.  which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ.
 8.  But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned!
 9.  As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!
 
 
 
ANYBODY???
 
Like this fine looking fellow???
 
 
 
 
 

2 Corinthians 11:12-15
 12.  And I will keep on doing what I am doing in order to cut the ground from under those who want an opportunity to be considered equal with us in the things they boast about.
 13.  For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ.
 14.  And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.
 15.  It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.

Like THESE guys??
 
 
17 It no sooner appeared than I found myself delivered from the enemy which held me bound. When the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other—This is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!
 
 

Ephesians 2:1-2
   As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins,  in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient.

204 posted on 05/08/2008 8:51:39 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: DManA
Yet another reason for this thread. Yes, Mormons do believe in those things, all of them! Please peruse our scriptures in the subject. Your post is exactly why this thread and all these LDS threads exist. I will not be defined by people who don't understand what and why I believe as I do.

http://scriptures.lds.org/gs/j/22

GUIDE TO THE SCRIPTURES


Jesus Christ

See also Advocate; Alpha and Omega; Anointed One; Ascension; Atone, Atonement; Beginning; Begotten; Blood; Bread of Life; Bridegroom; Comforter; Conscience; Cornerstone; Create, Creation; Cross; Crucifixion; Deliverer; Endless; Faith; Fall of Adam and Eve; Firstborn; God, Godhead; Golgotha; Good Shepherd; Gospels; Grace; I AM; Immanuel; Jehovah; Lamb of God; Light, Light of Christ; Living Water; Lord; Mary, Mother of Jesus; Mediator; Messiah; Plan of Redemption; Redeem, Redeemed, Redemption; Redeemer; Remission of Sins; Repent, Repentance; Resurrection; Rock; Sacrament; Sacrifice; Savior; Second Coming of Jesus Christ; Sermon on the Mount; Serpent, Brazen; Son of Man; Transfiguration—Transfiguration of Christ; Way

205 posted on 05/08/2008 8:52:51 PM PDT by sevenbak (1 Corinthians 2:14)
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To: netmilsmom

Nope.


206 posted on 05/08/2008 8:52:52 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Religion Moderator
If the moderators believe it should be moved, it will be moved.

So let it be written, so let it be done.

207 posted on 05/08/2008 8:53:12 PM PDT by Godzilla (I'm out of my mind, but feel free to leave a message.)
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To: MHGinTN; restornu; Utah Girl; Grig

“Joe Smith, peepstone divination fraud” Too bad you say things like that about the founder of our Church.

I feel I have the best of both worlds. I was raised a Southern Baptist and I always loved Jesus, my Savior, and the Word of God, the Bible. Later in life I became a pentecostal and I enjoyed jumping up and down, clapping my hands, speaking in tongues, running all around and just having myself a rip roarin’ good time. I was a missionary with Youth With A Mission for about 5 years, even “served a mission” in Belize, Central America, where the Belizean Christians made me feel ashamed.

I started questioning the contradictions - one pastor prayed for healing, another does not believe in miracles, one believes in holiness, another believes we’re saved by grace, “once saved always saved”. Baptists believe speaking tongues is of the devil; pentecostals believe speaking in tongues is a manifestation of the Holy Ghost. One time the pentecostals tried to “cast out a demon” from my deaf friend and scared us half to death. She did not have a demon; she just could not hear. FOR GOD’S SAKE! That was so horrific and embarrassing.

My Mom lived in Anchorage Alaska and she was big in pro life up there. She was head of the pro life group and she told me they had lots of Mormons in their group. She told me one time this Mormon woman prayed with her in the car and Mom said she “felt the presence of the Holy Ghost right there in that car!”

Raised in the Baptist church (Southern Baptist, mind you), I was told all kinds of things about Mormons, things it turned out are not true at all. I was told that Joseph Smith was a fraud and liar and that he thought he was Jesus Christ. Stuff like that. Stuff the anti Mormons post on FR. You know. (They didn’t much like Catholics, either.)

Anyhoo, one day, I decided to listen to the LDS Missionaries. I would be afraid to put their names on this site for fear the Mormon haters would track them down and try to hurt them, those two sweet boys. That was 8 years ago. I remember telling the Elders at our first discussion, “Well, go ahead and give it your best shot but I can never be a Mormon!” I thought Mormons were weird, maybe evil, and you had to be perfect or something. I remember how they put these little paper cups out on the table (upside down) and said these little cups represent all the other churches and denominations. They all have some of the truth. The Baptists believe in baptism by immersion; we believe that, too. The Methodists believe that Jesus Christ died for our sins; we believe that, too. The pentecostals believe in miraculous healing; we believe that, too. They never put down any other faith; just the opposite.

I believed and was baptized in the Name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost.

I did not know what a “Blessing” was when I was brand spankin’ new to the Church but one day after a botched colonoscopy, I woke up on my way to emergency surgery with a blow out in my colon. No fun and scary!!! Someone said I needed a “Priesthood Blessing” and I didn’t know what that meant. Sure enough, my Home Teacher and an Elder showed up and gave me a Blessing right there on the gurney in the hallway just a few minutes before I was to have the major surgery. I felt a wonderful peace come over me and I believe the Lord spoke through the Priesthood that I would be all right. All I can say is, the Church is real to me.

Your Church is real to you. Hooray! But why on earth you feel the need to endlessly put my faith down, what I believe sincerely, what I know to be true for me, I will never understand. I love my Church. I love my Jesus. And yes He is the same yesterday today and forever, my Jesus. I love Him with all my heart. When people tell me what they think I believe and they think I believe in another Jesus Christ, it hurts, because I love Him so much. He suffered and died for me so that I can return to my Heavenly Father some day by the power of the Holy Ghost.

I don’t like it when people make fun of the LDS Temples. Here is where we go to make covenants with our Father in Heaven. The Temple is a special place for us. It hurts me when people make fun of the Temple. It is a sacred place to me. It is peaceful, sweet, and I feel the Holy Ghost there speaking in a “still small voice”. I love my Church. You love your Church. You worship as you wish and let me.

And people on this site have made fun of our garments. Have they no shame? We are peculiar, I’ll grant you that. We are a peculiar people. The garments are sacred to us, representing we belong to Him; we are set apart. That’s how we believe. Why is that so horrible - and funny - to the anti Mormons? It is disgraceful and makes me feel very sad for those people who say those awful things.

The Book of Mormon, I guess you think it’s a crock, too. That OK; you believe as you will. To me, the Book of Mormon is a wonderful Testament of the Lord Jesus Christ. At first I was afraid to love the Book of Mormon because of the way I was raised - “You will go straight to hell if you alter the Holy Bible in any way!” The preachers used to pound us over the head with that Scripture in the Book of Revelation. Nevermind that an additional 25 books or so of the Bible were written after the Book of Revelation, and there’s a similar warning passage in Deuteronomy in the Old Testament. The Book of Mormon is full of love, warning, guidance, sweetness and goodness. To me. You may believe however you wish. That is your right.

I appreciate what Grig and the others are trying to do here. I hope it will help. If I have been guilty of getting mad and scolding the anti Mormons, I am sorry, please forgive me.


208 posted on 05/08/2008 8:53:16 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: JRochelle

You were responding to this...

“I used to live in SE Missouri. Trust me, there was plenty of Mormon bashing around. I was one of 2 Mormons in our school. It wasn’t easy.”

So actually, you did post the lady’s story to prove how nasty Mormons are. From her bigotry and childhood memories.

Okay, just wanted to know where you’re coming from.


209 posted on 05/08/2008 8:53:46 PM PDT by netmilsmom (I am very mad at Disney. Give me my James Marsden song!!!!!)
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To: SeaHawkFan

I was using button pusher as in stepping on another toes and wonder why the LDS says ouch!


210 posted on 05/08/2008 8:54:22 PM PDT by restornu (The Mainline spends all its time "playing goalie" hoping others will not READ the BOOK OF MORMON!)
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To: netmilsmom
. It means that sometimes she reads them and sometimes she doesn’t.

Thank you for reading her mind and explaining it to me.

211 posted on 05/08/2008 8:54:27 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: JRochelle

“Can you have decaf?”

We call our “coffee tables” “postim tables” - Ha! Postim is not that bad if you put that flavored creamer stuff in it.


212 posted on 05/08/2008 8:55:16 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: netmilsmom

Yes I am Mormon. I thought most knew that.

This tells me I haven’t been too obnoxious. ;-)


213 posted on 05/08/2008 8:55:34 PM PDT by sevenbak (1 Corinthians 2:14)
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To: MHGinTN

Elvis is alive and well...

So they say...

But he has left the building

:)


214 posted on 05/08/2008 8:55:48 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Elsie

Apparently.

Perhaps you should get involved in something like crochet. There’s a great organization that makes blankets for newborns. I have done it in the past, very rewarding.


215 posted on 05/08/2008 8:55:56 PM PDT by netmilsmom (I am very mad at Disney. Give me my James Marsden song!!!!!)
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To: Tennessee Nana

Well, at least there are still the ducks.


216 posted on 05/08/2008 8:57:02 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: sevenbak
Mods, please do not pull this post, as it is a prime example of the very reason for this thread.

AMEN!!!

217 posted on 05/08/2008 8:57:16 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie; Tax-chick

>>Thank you for reading her mind and explaining it to me.<<

She’s a friend of mine so I have no need to “read her mind”. No problem clearing up that little misunderstanding


218 posted on 05/08/2008 8:57:27 PM PDT by netmilsmom (I am very mad at Disney. Give me my James Marsden song!!!!!)
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To: Grig

I’ve read through your post three times now and I gotta say, it seems so familiar. So much of what you describe is something I see done every day here by those who hate my Church.

I don’t have to endorse LDS to know that conflating it with FLDS is unfair and stalking you & your fellow faithful and hijacking your threads with the same spam day after day, week after week is wrong and abusive.

I stand with you in the hope for “respectful dialogue” among all faiths.

Signed by Petronski


219 posted on 05/08/2008 8:58:02 PM PDT by Petronski (When there's no more room in hell, the dead will walk the earth, voting for Hillary.)
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To: sevenbak

Can you confess this with me? (That’s a yes or no)

And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds; God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God; begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father, by whom all things were made.


220 posted on 05/08/2008 8:58:28 PM PDT by DManA
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