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Posted on 05/08/2008 5:04:47 PM PDT by Grig
I am posting this on behalf of many LDS freepers. They will post their own 'signature' to this in the comments below. --- Some of you have noticed lately a lot of LDS (ie: Mormon) threads here on FR. I'm going to tell you why.
For many years there have been several active LDS freepers here. We post to all the forums on relevant issues, and were happy to have a site where conservative values were so openly welcomed.
Those conservative values include faith in God, and freedom of religion. We fully respect the rights of all posters to express their opinions and views on religious matters, even when people choose to use those rights to express criticism of our own faith. We also support the ideas embodied in FR rules against religion bashing. There is no need for hostility and there should be no room for bigotry on FR. Every religion has it's miracles and mysteries. Every faith has things in it that are not or can not be proven, and things that run contrary to what secular science would have us believe. Someone mature and confident in their own faith generally doesn't feel the need to belittle the faith of others.
We have, to the best of our ability, conducted ourselves with civility and dignity. We do not feel that that respect has been returned by some posters (putting it mildly).
When Mormon missionaries were murdered, the moderators were kept busy pulling jubilant posts off the thread. When Elizabeth Smart was abducted from her home, we contended for months with posters who appeared to be motivated by religious bigotry doing all they could to smear the family and accuse the father. Several posters openly admitted their religious motivation in opposing Mitt Romney and confessed that no matter how conservative any Mormon was, they would never vote for one for President of the USA. When the Pope died, I don't think any Mormon poster posted anything unkind, yet the thread about the passing of our President recently needed many comments removed.
Nearly every thread having any connection with Mormons, or Utah winds up being hijacked by anti-Mormon activists who copy and paste the same false accusations over and over even when it has been clearly and factually pointed out to them on multiple occasions that they are bearing false witness against our faith. Everything possible is done by these activists to make FR a hostile place for Mormons, and for at least some of them, bashing Mormonism is all they do here. Their most recent project is trying to blur the fact that the polygamous FLDS is a separate and distinct religion from ours, just as Lutherans are a separate and distinct religion from Catholicism.
In our opinion, such poster do a great disservice to FR and to their fellow freepers by spreading disinformation and promoting hostility towards a people known for walking the walk of conservative values.
Why the moderators here don't see the behavior of these anti-Mormon activists as religion bashing is a mystery to us, but it is the moderators call to make and we respect their right to do so. That doesn't mean we have to be passive however. We have all spent many hours refuting the accusations leveled at our faith, but these wind up buried deep in a flood of comments, effectively shouting us down.
Recently some of us have decided to take a more proactive approach. Rather than try to wrestle the pig into taking a bath, we are just going to hose it down. We will actively define our faith here rather than just respond to accusations.
So expect to see lots of Mormon threads, now and for as long as we see fit to keep posting them (although probably not as many as there are Catholic threads). They will be about our basic doctrines and responses to common accusations. If you want to know what our faith is about, read the articles we post. We will post them as open threads and I encourage you to compare the difference in tone and spirit between what we post and what our critics say.
>>I go to a church with a lady that lived in Bountiful Utah for a few years during her childhood.
She wasn’t Mormon and she had no friends. She said they were so mean to her. She does not like Mormons to this day.<<
Forgive and forget runs deep in your church, huh?
Only TEN years??
Boo Hoo!!
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http://scriptures.lds.org/en/js_h/1/19#19
17 It no sooner appeared than I found myself delivered from the enemy which held me bound. When the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other—This is My Beloved Son. Hear Him! 18 My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)—and which I should join. 19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: “they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.” 20 He again forbade me to join with any of them; and many other things did he say unto me, which I cannot write at this time. When I came to myself again, I found myself lying on my back, looking up into heaven. When the light had departed, I had no strength; but soon recovering in some degree, I went home. And as I leaned up to the fireplace, mother inquired what the matter was. I replied, “Never mind, all is well—I am well enough off.” I then said to my mother, “I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true.” |
Muslims revere Jesus too.
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Not as the Son of God, the creator of the universe, the Savior of mankind.
Mormons do.
You spelled distorted wrong.
Any your church have not people who hold grudges!
AMAZING!
Tell us all what church that is!
>>Any your church have not people who hold grudges!<<
Not that we talk about on FR, like it’s something to be proud of.
We ask Our Lord’s forgiveness.
I agree with you regarding the religion forums. Unless you have an agreement to be left along (Caucus), if you talk about your religion in a religion thread, you should expect to have people argue against your religion, just as if you post your political opinion in a political thread you have to expect people to disagree with you.
Since I don’t like to argue with people about their religion in a political forum, I try to stay out of the religion threads (I occasionally end up in a thread because I look at ALL threads in my main search).
I believe the snide comments and personal attacks are meant to discourage people from participating in the forum. And while some opposed Romney for other reasons, there were some who clearly said they could never vote for a Mormon for office.
Now, maybe they did not think through the ramifications. But if you are going to tell a Church that they are not welcome to be your candidates, you can hardly expect them to vote for YOUR candidate.
What FAIR has said about itself:
FAIR is not owned, controlled by or affiliated with The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. All research and opinions provided on this site are the sole responsibility of FAIR, and should not be interpreted as official statements of LDS doctrine, belief or practice.
You are describing the Christian religion, not Mormonism.
I claim dyslexia for the first line mixup! Hey it works for some people...
I think it depends on the situation and the people involved.
I live by A LOT of Mormons. My son’s best friend in the world is Catholic, and they play together all the time. We take the boys fishing, boating etc, together, both myself and my Catholic neighbor. And we’re all good friends.
My brother is Catholic as well, and we do stuff together all the time.
I think it depends on the situation. Would that all men could be as Christ taught us to be, eh?
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http://scriptures.lds.org/en/js_h/1/19#19
17 It no sooner appeared than I found myself delivered from the enemy which held me bound. When the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other—This is My Beloved Son. Hear Him! 18 My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)—and which I should join. 19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: “they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.” 20 He again forbade me to join with any of them; and many other things did he say unto me, which I cannot write at this time. When I came to myself again, I found myself lying on my back, looking up into heaven. When the light had departed, I had no strength; but soon recovering in some degree, I went home. And as I leaned up to the fireplace, mother inquired what the matter was. I replied, “Never mind, all is well—I am well enough off.” I then said to my mother, “I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true.” |
If an individual mormon finds the Christ of Christianity that would be one thing God would judge. That is hard to defend IF the mormon is an orthodox mormon. You see the key is the object of the faith, if that object is invalid, so is the faith. Don't forget Jesus said that many would on that day cry "Lord, Lord" and He will say He never knew them. The teachings of Christianity are incompatable with mormonism. Examples mormonism is polytheistic, Christianity monotheistic trinitarism, Christianity Christ is God the Creator, mormonism's Christ a created being who is spirit brother to the devil. The list can go on.
I as a pentcostal can relate to Presbyterians because we can both hold the Nicean creed up as truth - mormonism opposes that creed vehemently. I recognize differences in the minor areas of theology - but we share on a doctrinal level a common view of God, the Person, Nature and Work of Christ - the core essential of salvation presented in the NT. Mormons don't share that - they oppose it. Now, does behavior make the person? I hope you are familiar with Pauls discussion in Romans on the fact that salvation by works just doesn't cut it. They are important- but we don't get our salvation from them.
Finally, if you read the post, you will see that there are other reasons for presenting the truth - and there is truth. If you are uncertain, please go back to #90 and re-read the scriptures - going back to see the fuller context if need be.
Of course, as a Presbyterian, I believe I’m saved no matter WHAT group is right or what church I’m going to :-)
Yes, the 'frozen chosen' IIRC, LOL. But does that form a barrier to showing the falsehood of mormonism to those who will perish if they follow it? If this is the case, why send any missionaries into the field? No, Jesus commanded the word be set forth and Paul forthrightly tells us to defend the message from compromise and perversion; warning all of false 'gospels' and 'prophets' . If mormons want to make FR their forum for proselytizing, then I am compelled to show those teachings to be false. Go to #90 and go to the exmormon site and see the testimonies of those freed from mormonism who read challenges to mormonism and its responses.
As one who is seen as a “mormon apologist” from time to time, I will say that while your post would upset a Mormon, I don’t see it as a problem in a religion forum.
My intent is to expose some of the religious labelling in political discussions and debates. I don’t think a person should have to answer for his own religion every time someone with a similar-sounding name does something wrong, or to reveal religious affiliation before being allowed to speak about politics or government actions.
Where did I say she was proud of that?
She brought it up recently in Sunday School. She said she still struggles with resentment and holding grudges.
Are you Mormon?
You don’t have to answer if you don’t want to.
All I have to say is that if one is going to spend one’s whole life disliking a group of people because of the way children acted many years ago, that person needs some counciling.
Too late, someone must’ve hit the abuse button.
>>She brought it up recently in Sunday School. She said she still struggles with resentment and holding grudges.<<
She should.
However, you used it as an example of what? Nastiness of Mormons? Childishness of kids? Her psychosis? What?
You mean they are after filthy lucre?
Pingalingaling ... you have much to catch up on, TN. How was Elvis?
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