Twenty One Reasons to Reject Sola Scriptura

Catholic Apologetics ^ | Joel Peters

[fr_freak]

This is a free country. I disagree very strongly with his religious beliefs. I defend his right to hold them, and to express them (politely) without being called ugly names or having his personal integrity besmirched.

I would agree with you, but that respect must go both ways. Here is what he posted:

The same reason for doing so with b*ddha, th*rsday, and any other use of the name of a false "gxd." May their names speedily disappear from the earth!

One can easily say "I don't believe that Jesus Christ was the Son of God." That is a legitimate declaration of your own belief, and such a declaration, when called for, would be expected from someone who is, say, Jewish. However, equating Jesus Christ with "b*ddha" and "th*rsday" is not merely a declaration of belief, it is a belittlement of the very near and dear religious beliefs of a good portion of people, including many, if not most, members of this site.

But he does not stop there. He feels it necessary to take the next step and wish that the name of Jesus would disappear from the Earth which, presumably, would require that all Christians disappear from the Earth.

If you want respect, here or anywhere else, you need to show some respect. If you want to trash talk someone's religion, don't act all shocked and confused when that someone objects with at least as much force as your trash talk.

[raygunfan]

and you are sidestepping the issue. the writers of the gospels and the rest of the nt could read and write, and were guided by the HS in picking their successors....who also were able to write and converse and teach as Christ instructed them to do, as the successors to the apostles and they did just that, and were doing fine up until the time of the deformation.

[Terriergal]

What I would like to know, if Scripture is not the ultimate guide, what the Catholic church uses to determine if it should correct errors of the past? I mean, for example, here we have Benedict saying that Martin Luther wasn’t so bad, but back then they were ready to burn him at the stake.

[swmobuffalo]

“since 3/4 of the Old Testament quotes attributed to Jesus in the New Testament come from the “Apocrypha”.”

Gotta link?

[BibChr]

I think a more candid list would read:

1. Because Rome would lose its stranglehold on the souls of men.

1. Because Rome would lose its stranglehold on the souls of men.

1. Because Rome would lose its stranglehold on the souls of men.

1. Because Rome would lose its stranglehold on the souls of men....

[Wonder Warthog]

"What I would like to know, if Scripture is not the ultimate guide, what the Catholic church uses to determine if it should correct errors of the past?"

The Word of God (also called the "Deposit of the Faith") which includes both Scripture and the teachings of Christ as handed on by him to the Apostles, and by the Apostles to their successors. Scripture (New Testament) as we have it today didn't get written down until late in the first century after Christ, at least not as a complete work---that didn't happen until about four hundred years after Christ. Lastly, Scripture itself is a product of the "Tradition" of the Roman Catholic church. ALL the books in the Bibles that Protestants use today were chosen as "God's inerrant writings" by that same Roman Catholic church.

[Lijahsbubbe]

bookmark

[hosepipe]

[ and you are sidestepping the issue. the writers of the gospels and the rest of the nt could read and write, and were guided by the HS in picking their successors.... ]

During the time of the apostles(and well after that) scribes were common.. You didnt NEED to know how to read or write.. to produce documents.. As to whether the HS selected the hand me down apostles, is open to question.. You say yes, I say NO.. Jesus was not real hot on clergy at any time.. For good reason.. They ALWAYS become Pharisees.. Saducees or even Essenes...

John ch 10 is pretty clear on hirelings.. Jesus didnt demand that you become doctrinally accurate just BORN AGAIN.. You must be born again not a stickler for dogma.. You can be born again AND a heretic.. at the same time..

[Tennessee Nana]

What is Sola Scriptura?

“We believe in the Bible alone and the Bible in its entirety as the sole rule of faith for the Christian!”
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Then I am Sola Scriptura...

If that means there are no other books needed...

[papertyger]

Jesus didnt demand that you become doctrinally accurate just BORN AGAIN.. You must be born again not a stickler for dogma..

That doesn't square too well with the seven letters He dictated in the Revelation.

[hosepipe]

[ That doesn't square too well with the seven letters He dictated in the Revelation. ]

Actually it squares exactly.. Unless you mean something I'm not following..

[papertyger]

What I would like to know, if Scripture is not the ultimate guide, what the Catholic church uses to determine if it should correct errors of the past?

We have a Pope to make such determinations.

I wonder though, how do you answer the same question? If Scripture is the ultimate guide, how do you determine and correct errors of the past?

[papertyger]

Actually it squares exactly.. Unless you mean something I'm not following..

I'm scratching my head trying to figure out how you can say it squares exactly.

Was that a knee jerk response, or are you being serious?

[big'ol_freeper]

I don’t have a lot to time to do research that you could easily do but you can start here:

from: http://www.davidmacd.com/catholic/bible_catholics_apocrypha.htm : Jesus quotes the Septuagint in 80% of his Old Testament references.
http://www.scripturecatholic.com/deuterocanon.html
http://www.scripturecatholic.com/septuagint.html
http://members.shaw.ca/bmaundy/Apologetics/Canon_of_the_Bible.html
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/767812/posts

etc.
etc.
etc.

[big'ol_freeper]

The media reported that Martin Luther was to be rehabilitated. The Church completely denied that. Martin Luther was a sinful heretic, who continues to sow division in the Church that Christ established, and remains so.

[hosepipe]

[ Was that a knee jerk response, or are you being serious? ]

I'm serious... I assume you mean the letters to the seven churchs of asia in the Book of Revelation.. If not expand your meme..

[papertyger]

I'm serious... I assume you mean the letters to the seven churchs of asia in the Book of Revelation.. If not expand your meme..

Yes, I mean the seven churches. It's just that Jesus doesn't make a peep about being born again in the seven letters...it's ALL about doctrine.

I just don't understand how you can't see that.

[Salvation]

BTTT!

[hosepipe]

[ Yes, I mean the seven churches. It's just that Jesus doesn't make a peep about being born again in the seven letters...it's ALL about doctrine. ]

Because the "book" of revelation is a vision.. a vision of metaphors.. in a metaphorical context(most of it).. Its not about doctrine.. except the recurrence of doctrine.. within the "churches" ref: John ch 10.. (Sheep pens)

Rev 1;1 says its the revelation(vision) of Jesus Christ.. NOT John's revelation except that John transcribed it.. .. In the context of past, present and future events.. Actually the term born again is a metaphor.. Most of the context of Jesus "message" in the New Testament is metaphorical.. He spoke in metaphor, usually/mostly..

Jesus gave two commandments and never used the word or even the thought of heretic.. Doctrine and dogma came from clergy later.. and was inferred or conflated or even invented..

Jesus came to make ALL religion obsolete, and DID..
However; " You MUST be born again" -Jesus
Love the lord your God with all your strengh, and love your neighbor as yourself.. period.. All else can be nice but not mandatory..

[Revolting cat!]

“We don’t need no theology” — the Crouch couple on telebision. (Quoted from memory.) That’s quite enough of Protestantism for this Catholic!