Posted on 04/04/2008 11:29:53 AM PDT by big'ol_freeper
“It makes no difference. If the Torah was to be “superseded” by merely another legal system then it was unnecessary, whoever founded it.”
Obviously the Jews that followed Christ thought otherwise.
That's interesting. What are your thoughts on God superceding Creation with a Flood and repopulation of the earth? As a Noachide, surely you don't believe that just because God ordained something, He won't decide to turn it upside down and do something new, do you?
You are correct that Protestantism didn't just start in the 1500's. Protestantism came under various and sundry other heresies such as Montanism, Arianism, Gnosticism, Docetism, etc. etc. etc. You certainly have good company among the heretics.
The lie or "spin" that authority was handed down by the apostles from Peter is a myth..
Proof for this claim? Or does Protestant Tradition suffice?
That's a mystifying conclusion to come to.
Topic: God allowed the Romans to crucify His Son, therefore, APPARENTLY, God was a fan of Roman justice. Discuss.
True but the most famous heretic of all is the Roman Catholic.. because of the screwball ceremonys, sacraments, and just plain old Penn and Teller Christianity performed..
But whos perfect.. so they are a "little" wierd..
Just cross yourself, splash some holy water and keep on churchin..
The RCC are a little 3 stooges'ific but thank god for the entertainment value..
As a Noachide, surely you don't believe that just because God ordained something, He won't decide to turn it upside down and do something new, do you?
As a child of the Reformation ... certainly not.
Heh, Jesus promised His Church would never fall, so if you're insinuating that Jesus turned His Church upside down, you're only calling Him a liar. We can go on for another 800 posts on the immense latitude you'll apply to the definition of the word "Church", but suffice to say, we'll disagree.
God never made any promises that there wouldn't be an Earth v 2.0 or a fulfillment of the Torah in the new covenant. He did promise that He would never destroy the earth again with the waters of a flood. In fulfillment of this promise, He's continually saving the Earth through the life-giving waters of Christ.
Heresy can't be defined unless there is a standard. That standard has always been found in the Church at Rome.
Now, since you seem content to drag out the stereotypical Protestant, papal-phobic sewage that used to earn a lot of mileage for the Klan back in the day, I'm curious why you cling to Protestant Tradition and violate your own sacrosanct belief in Scripture alone? Care to answer, or will we be regaled with more witty flare such as "3 stooges'ific" and "screwball ceremonys" (sic)?
It makes no difference. If the Torah was to be "superseded" by merely another legal system then it was unnecessary, whoever founded it.
That's interesting. What are your thoughts on God superceding Creation with a Flood and repopulation of the earth? As a Noachide, surely you don't believe that just because God ordained something, He won't decide to turn it upside down and do something new, do you?
How did He do anything new? The entire Torah, Genesis to Deuteronomy, was written by G-d 974 generations before the Creation of the World. There is thus no prior religion or prior "testament" since the Torah given to Moses at Sinai contained all of Genesis.
Moreover, the Laws given to Adam are still in effect for all non-Jews. The only change was that after the Flood man was given permission to kill animals for food (before this it was forbidden) provided no meat be taken from an animal while it is still alive. These same Seven Noachide Laws were reaffirmed at Sinai when the Ultimate Revelation was given. So how has anything changed, other than the children of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob meriting to be given the 613 commandments?
Also, just as there is no prior "testament" in existence predating the Holy Torah, there is no religious community practicing a pre-Mosaic religion for the Torah to have "superseded" (the "Samaritans," sometimes invoked as such a community, claim to be Mosaic and not remnants of a pre-Mosaic religion which Torah superseded).
And finally, if G-d is going to be continually "changing His mind" and starting over, where will it end? With J*sus? Mohammed? J. Smith? Sun Myung Moon? As the old saying goes, 'im ken, 'ein ladavar sof ("if that were so, there would be no end to the matter").
Hebrews 2:14 gives a statement of purpose as to the 'why' (14) Forasmuch then as the children are *partakers* of flesh and blood, He also Himself likewise took part of the same; (Christ came into the flesh just as was required of the children John 3:3 not as angels)
(14 cont'd & reason) 'that through death He might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
Psalms 22 penned around a thousand years before the event described and Christ quoted while upon the cross...
Matthew 27:45 Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land unto the ninth hour.
46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, "Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? "that is to say, "My God, My God, why hast Thou forsaken Me?"
Psalms 22:1 My GOD, my GOD, why hast thou forsaken me?.... then King David continues to describe what would take place and in verse 31 David ends with the words ".....That He hath done this" which is recorded in John 19:30 with Christ saying "It is finished".
No flesh being could have planned and even predicted what would take place and Christ was giving witness to the testimony already foretold around a thousand years before the event.
I suppose some could describe God was a fan of Roman justice. Three of the Gospels did record Christ to say "render therefore unto Caesar....." so there is no doubt that Rome was allowed to be the governing body that did in fact accomplish the demanded deed.
Ah! the Klan.. a christian organization, they say..
True the Klan did murder a few, maybe more than a few..
But they are not alone there.. The so-called papists did too..
Many psuedo christian groups did the same...
Generates a question... Just WHOM is a christian?..
What IS a christian?.. What makes YOU a christian?..
The answer(s) could start ANOTHER WAR..
Are heretics killing heretics a BAD THING?...
Heh, Jesus promised His Church would never fall, so if you're insinuating that Jesus turned His Church upside down, you're only calling Him a liar.
Not true.
Jesus turning His church upside down ... is not the same as His church falling ... as the following NT scripture illustrates ...1 Peter 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
It's right there with the trinity.
There must be a bit more to it because this allows the RCC to invent doctrine out of whole cloth, like Marianism.
Who is the protestant?..
Those protesting Romes authority over worldwide christianity?(various)..
OR those protesting the authority of the Bible to designate who is a christian at all(RCC)?..
Many protest many things.. The sheep pens in John ch 10 is about protestation..
For that is what a sheep pen is.. a protestation.. (of something)..
The flock outside of the sheep pen(s) makes it all quite simple.. Ps 23...
FYI, Joel Peters has a version of this published by Tan Books and Publishers. Excellent work that shows unequivocably, via scripture itself, why Sola Scriptura is bunk.
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