Posted on 03/29/2008 8:24:03 PM PDT by hanfei
Chapter 4 (Pages 1 to 6 of the manuscript, containing chapters 1 - 3, are lost. The extant text starts on page 7...)
. . . Will matter then be destroyed or not?
22) The Savior said, All nature, all formations, all creatures exist in and with one another, and they will be resolved again into their own roots.
23) For the nature of matter is resolved into the roots of its own nature alone.
24) He who has ears to hear, let him hear.
25) Peter said to him, Since you have explained everything to us, tell us this also: What is the sin of the world?
26) The Savior said There is no sin, but it is you who make sin when you do the things that are like the nature of adultery, which is called sin.
27) That is why the Good came into your midst, to the essence of every nature in order to restore it to its root.
28) Then He continued and said, That is why you become sick and die, for you are deprived of the one who can heal you.
29) He who has a mind to understand, let him understand.
30) Matter gave birth to a passion that has no equal, which proceeded from something contrary to nature. Then there arises a disturbance in its whole body.
31) That is why I said to you, Be of good courage, and if you are discouraged be encouraged in the presence of the different forms of nature.
32) He who has ears to hear, let him hear.
33) When the Blessed One had said this, He greeted them all,saying, Peace be with you. Receive my peace unto yourselves.
34) Beware that no one lead you astray saying Lo here or lo there! For the Son of Man is within you.
35) Follow after Him!
36) Those who seek Him will find Him.
37) Go then and preach the gospel of the Kingdom.
38) Do not lay down any rules beyond what I appointed you, and do not give a law like the lawgiver lest you be constrained by it.
39) When He said this He departed.
Chapter 5 1) But they were grieved. They wept greatly, saying, How shall we go to the Gentiles and preach the gospel of the Kingdom of the Son of Man? If they did not spare Him, how will they spare us?
2) Then Mary stood up, greeted them all, and said to her brethren, Do not weep and do not grieve nor be irresolute, for His grace will be entirely with you and will protect you.
3) But rather, let us praise His greatness, for He has prepared us and made us into Men.
4) When Mary said this, she turned their hearts to the Good, and they began to discuss the words of the Savior.
5) Peter said to Mary, Sister we know that the Savior loved you more than the rest of woman.
6) Tell us the words of the Savior which you remember which you know, but we do not, nor have we heard them.
7) Mary answered and said, What is hidden from you I will proclaim to you.
8) And she began to speak to them these words: I, she said, I saw the Lord in a vision and I said to Him, Lord I saw you today in a vision. He answered and said to me,
9) Blessed are you that you did not waver at the sight of Me. For where the mind is there is the treasure.
10) I said to Him, Lord, how does he who sees the vision see it, through the soul or through the spirit?
11) The Savior answered and said, He does not see through the soul nor through the spirit, but the mind that is between the two that is what sees the vision and it is [...]
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Chapter 8: . . . it.
10) And desire said, I did not see you descending, but now I see you ascending. Why do you lie since you belong to me?
11) The soul answered and said, I saw you. You did not see me nor recognize me. I served you as a garment and you did not know me.
12) When it said this, it (the soul) went away rejoicing greatly.
13) Again it came to the third power, which is called ignorance.
14) The power questioned the soul, saying, Where are you going? In wickedness are you bound. But you are bound; do not judge!
15) And the soul said, Why do you judge me, although I have not judged?
16) I was bound, though I have not bound.
17) I was not recognized. But I have recognized that the All is being dissolved, both the earthly things and the heavenly.
18) When the soul had overcome the third power, it went upwards and saw the fourth power, which took seven forms.
19) The first form is darkness, the second desire, the third ignorance, the fourth is the excitement of death, the fifth is the kingdom of the flesh, the sixth is the foolish wisdom of flesh, the seventh is the wrathful wisdom. These are the seven powers of wrath.
20) They asked the soul, Whence do you come slayer of men, or where are you going, conqueror of space?
21) The soul answered and said, What binds me has been slain, and what turns me about has been overcome,
22) and my desire has been ended, and ignorance has died.
23) In a aeon I was released from a world, and in a Type from a type, and from the fetter of oblivion which is transient.
24) From this time on will I attain to the rest of the time, of the season, of the aeon, in silence.
Chapter 9 1) When Mary had said this, she fell silent, since it was to this point that the Savior had spoken with her.
2) But Andrew answered and said to the brethren, Say what you wish to say about what she has said. I at least do not believe that the Savior said this. For certainly these teachings are strange ideas.
3) Peter answered and spoke concerning these same things.
4) He questioned them about the Savior: Did He really speak privately with a woman and not openly to us? Are we to turn about and all listen to her? Did He prefer her to us?
5) Then Mary wept and said to Peter, My brother Peter, what do you think? Do you think that I have thought this up myself in my heart, or that I am lying about the Savior?
6) Levi answered and said to Peter, Peter you have always been hot tempered.
7) Now I see you contending against the woman like the adversaries.
8) But if the Savior made her worthy, who are you indeed to reject her? Surely the Savior knows her very well.
9) That is why He loved her more than us. Rather let us be ashamed and put on the perfect Man, and separate as He commanded us and preach the gospel, not laying down any other rule or other law beyond what the Savior said.
10) And when they heard this they began to go forth to proclaim and to preach.
The Gospel According to Mary
>> I know of no Protestant denomination that embraces Gnosticism in the least. <<
Some charismatic/Pentecostalis/non(anti?)=denominationalist groups’ concepts of prophesy get pretty close to the notion of gnostic revelation, but I wouldn’t associate these with any mainline denomination, and that one characteristic merits only a description of approaching “to a small degree.”
If you differ with Mormonism being called a Protestant denomination, fine, but I think Mormonism has as strong of a gnostic heritage as any denomination out there.
Do we zot people because they have different religious beliefs? What is the official religion here anyway?
I didn’t coin it; I got it from Orthodox Christians:
http://www.roacamerica.org/art-text_timeline.shtml
Armenians and Copts are affiliated “Oriental Orthodox” who follow monophysitism/miaphysitism.
LOL! That’s the OTHER web page in the universe that uses that term! Copts are monophysite, while Armenians bitterly reject the label. That’s pretty slim to base the term “Copto-Armenian.” I think that one web site was trying to lump various ancient Christian groups together into a phylogeny, but you can’t murder a phylogeny!
>> Do we zot people because they have different religious beliefs? <<
We zot idiots. And I don’t know the poster to be an idiot, but statements like this don’t acquit him well: “Soon, [the Catholic Church] will have to admit the non-Prophet Muhammad, or the poor dears won’t get churches in Saudi Arabia.”
Ironically, the Catholic Church just baptized a courageous Muslim (Allam) who will probably end up martyred (God, I hope not!) for his incredible zeal to expose Islam for what it is. The Pope responded by ignoring the hysterics of Christian liberals and Islamic “moderates,” by defending Allam’s outspokenness. Precisely because he rejected calls to water down his defense of Christianity and freedom of religion, he earned the respect of King Abdullah, who just might permit Catholic Churches in Saudi Arabia.
I cannot and will not call hanfei stupid, but I do suggest that the last thing FR needs is more belligerent ignorants. And in my opinion, hanfei had better do a better job of demonstrating some thoughtfulness, because this thread is a disgrace, and if it is typical of what we can expect of hanfei, I’m all in favor of a zot... or at least some severe guidance.
Ahh, I see what you are getting at- A gnostic act, *not* referencing gnostic literature. You and I were cross-threaded... forgive me.
Your observation is plausible, to say the least. I can understand a charismatic or pentecostal church being over the line (they live close to it as it is). Prophecy is a touchy thing.
If you differ with Mormonism being called a Protestant denomination, fine, but I think Mormonism has as strong of a gnostic heritage as any denomination out there.
Agreed, though their interpretations of the Scripture are generally reasonable- It is the Book of Mormon where we part company. The Book of Mormon could certainly be thought of as gnostic, by the very definition (secret knowledge beyond the confines of standard canon), with no offense meant toward our Mormon FRiends.
Some Armenians, Copts, and Syrians (Oriental Orthodox) don’t like to be called “monophysitic” (an allegation of heresy that has lingered since the Council of Chalcedon), and prefer “miaphysitic.” But that’s what the Armenians, Copts, and Syrians are:
http://www.risu.org.ua/eng/news/article;2208/
Here’s the Catholic Church on immigration/invasion:
http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSN1128221420080111
http://cjonline.com/stories/112507/kan_220330857.shtml
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/Articles/Illegal%20Immigration%20Unites%20Democrats.html
http://pewforum.org/news/display.php?NewsID=10582
Immigration? This is an immigration thread? Thread-crossing is a big no-no on FR.
Incidentally, this is the Catholic magisterium on immigration, notwithstanding Marixst pedophiles like Cdl. Mahoney:
“The importation of foreign labor for the purpose of suppressing wages is a crime, which cries out to skies for vengence.”
— Rerum Novarum, Pope Leo XIII, referenced by Pius XI (Quadrigessimo Anno), John XXIII (Mater et Magistra), and John Paul II (Centessimus Annus).
ZOT it!
Yeah, I think we’re in agreement. But just in case my response confused you, I wasn’t the one who made the original post about Protestants and gnosticism.
Kolo,
Apparently you and I profess a different trinity from each other (filioque not withstanding).
Regards,
StAG
Actually, you accused me in this thread of being “all anti-Catholic.” Church policy on illegals is good reason to be, unless you are a liberal. This is a conservative forum, not a Catholic one. I am replying to you, not crossing threads.
Thank you dangus, that’s exactly what I meant in my comment above.
“Can we have a show of hands for a Zot?”
My hand is raised!
Thanks for the clarification.
What part of "don't make it personal" don't you people understand?
... and how many of these “lost gospels” were fakes to begin with? a good many of them. It is just now the atheists are trying to turn a new buck out of an old fraud.
"we" don't zot anyone. But the mods do. #26 is gone.
The site founder says as a conservative site, "we are pro-God". Ask him, not me.
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