Posted on 03/15/2008 10:17:55 AM PDT by big'ol_freeper
More than once during these talks I referred to Luther and what always occurred to me as his destructive influence. I pointed out that even in such an admirable book as Rohan Butler's The Roots of National Socialism the spiritual origins of Nazism and Luther's influence had not been given the necessary importance. Then I was asked if I would be prepared to elaborate to themabout a dozen of the very senior boys, that ismy own views on Luther and Lutheranism. I agreedwith the proviso that they would be my own views and nothing else. Admittedly, I had read more on Luther and about Luther than on most other subjects. But I wanted to make it quite clear that I would not speak to them with the voice of a great authority, but would merely give them my own interpretation. I told them, moreover, that I should try to prove how dangerous it is to accept legends; and that the picture I had of Luther and his influence was thoroughly contradictory of the customary Luther of the legend.
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If you actually have a case to make why dont you make it?
This is the second time I have asked this. Do you have a case to make or not?
Then Rome must have felt it chose the right man for the job.
Amen. God keep us all from blinking. Or worse, closing our eyes altogether.
you wrote:
“lol. You offered the glowing review of La Popessa; I didn’t. And now you’re asking my opinion of that glowing review?”
No. I did not offer a review. I posted what someone else wrote up as a review. You DISPUTE what that reviewer claims as appears in numerous posts in this thread. Does the book, La Popessa, actually claim that Pius XII saved numerous Jewish lives or not? You say you have the book. Why not answer that simple question? Is that too hard for you?
“Apparently you want us to believe the good reviews, and also to believe the bad reviews. Strange.”
I am asking you to look up something in the book YOU CLAIM TO HAVE. Why is that strange when you were offering to send me a snapshot of yourself with the book? Do you have the book or not? Can you actually open it and read it or not?
“No, I don’t think La Popessa vindicates Pacelli from his sins of omission as well as his sins of commission. Far from it. I think the book stands in testimony to one pretty strange couple who lived together for 50 years.”
What does it say about Pius XII saving numerous lives? That’s what I am asking about.
“Read the book for yourself. As I said, I thought it was fascinating.”
Your fascination is not at question here. Did La Popessa say that Pius XII saved numerous lives?
You wrote:
“I’ve never met a catholic liberal. (eyes roll)”
I haven’t either, although I have met many liberals who call themselves Catholics.
Hello God. Meet Invincibly Ignorant.
My Catholic parents voted for Democrat (pro-abortionists) their whole lives. (may they rest in peace) It warms my heart to know you'll be judging them. Not.
When you brag about a billion catholics worldwide, you probably need to shave liberals off of that number now that we know they're not catholics anymore.
You wrote:
“When you brag about a billion catholics worldwide, you probably need to shave liberals off of that number now that we know they’re not catholics anymore.”
When did you ever see me brag about a billion Catholics? Never.
Not that excuses an individuals shortcomings, but did any Christian Churches really step up to stop the Nazis?
Wonderful point!
Interesting point. Political vs. moral. A church that owes it's success to being a part of the state will probably never be able to act with out taking the political consequences into account.
Does anyone really believe the hatred of the Jews started in Germany and was Lutheran in character? Regrettably, Christian hatred towards the Jews goes way back and all Christian Churches have been guilty of it.
Not a bad post. :-0
I pray that as this world is falling into worldwide hate and terror, that Pope Benedict will not blink.
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INDEED . . . Or worse, closing the eyes or turning away.
Any shabby treatment of Israel will be watched very closely by Almighty God.
Shazam. You get off on a technicality again.
Ha ha! I’m surprised you remember that! Always have to put in a plug for family members...
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