Posted on 02/28/2008 6:25:40 AM PST by Manfred the Wonder Dawg
ROMAN CATHOLICISM: A DIFFERENT GOSPEL
In their lust for unity the Emergent Church and post-evangelical “Protestants” are right now embracing the Roman Catholic Church as another Christian denomination. But the issue is simple: If, as taught the Church of Rome, no one can enter the Kingdom of God without “the new birth in baptism” then we are now in hopeless contradiction with the Gospel contained in Holy Scripture.
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. (Galatians 1:8)
Speaking The Truth In Love
Let me make this as clear as I possibly can for the Roman Catholics who may read this work in Christ from Apprising Ministries. I personally am former member of the Church of Rome and care very deeply about those, such as the majority of my own family line, who are trapped in this apostate man-made system of religion known as Roman Catholicism. I also fully realize that what I say may sound “unloving” and possibly even “harsh.” However, there is just nothing that I can do about that. By not telling the Truth we aren’t doing anyone a service.
(Excerpt) Read more at apprising.org ...
BTW, who is this guy? I've never heard of him, and I'm fairly well up on stuff like this.
Then you'd make a terrific Presbyterian. 8~)
Any how (I ask again), prior to 1545 was the Roman Mass heretical? The other six Sacraments (Baptism, marraige, confession, confirmation, annoiting of the sick and Holy Orders), were they heretical?
"WCF: The efficacy of Baptism is not tied to that moment of time wherein it is administered; yet, notwithstanding, by the right use of this ordinance, the grace promised is not only offered, but really exhibited, and conferred, by the Holy Ghost, to such (whether of age or infants) as that grace belongs unto, according to the counsel of God's own will, in His appointed time.
"The grace promised is not only offered but really exhibited and conferred by the Holy Ghost...according to the counsel of God's own will in His appointed time."
This grace is not conferred at Baptism, but is promised at Baptism, and is "exhibited and conferred" at a time of God's choosing...most likely when the Holy Spirit quickens true faith in Christ within that person. This awareness of God's grace is made known to the child of God at a time of God's choosing, "in His appointed time."
Infant baptism acknowledges that saving faith in Christ and membership into His church are gifts that God alone gives to His family, according to His will and not men's.
Well Boats.. there is/are lots of information that dont match RCC history accounts.. Miller is only one of them.. also John Foxe and others you gotta watch historians.. SOme try to re-write history to match some agenda..
“Your religion has plenty of heresy in it.”
What religion (I ask again) is that you speak of? What denomination are you?
I do understand that and agree every Christian should be baptized.
I see we are at an impass and with that I will bid you all well. It is clear we do not agree nor will we...
Who knows anything is possible with the LORD.
And blessings to you and yours.
I never tire of recommending “Salvation at Stake” by Brad Gregory. It is very even-keeled when writing about Catholic and Protestant martyrdoms in the 16th Century.
“BTW, who is this guy?”
See http://www.christianworldviewnetwork.com/bio.php?AuthorID=66
A Johnny-come-lately who wants to be his own Pope.
See http://christianresearchnetwork.com/?p=2001 for more
Right on the mark, doc.
Excellent summary!
There is a twofold problem with our baptistic friends here.
First, failing to fully trust God’s promises and to be obedient in entrusting their children to God through the sacrament of baptism, and second, concommitant with the first, is taking the sacraments too lightly missing out on true blessings associated with the sacraments.
“The holy Roman Church is senior to the other churches not by virtue of any synodal decrees, but obtained the primacy from Our Lord and Savior in the words of the Gospel, ‘Thou art Peter...’” Pope Gelasius, Decree of Gelasium (A.D. 492).
Worth a repeat!
Oh yeah!:-D
So, to make your argument, you need to provide substantiation. Otherwise, your might as well hold your breath until people agree with you.
Let me give you an example, from the preface of the book: Here we have the establishment of Christianity by Constantine as the religion of the State. Instead of persecuting the Christians, he patronized them. From that moment the downward course of the church is rapid. Her unholy alliance with the world proved her saddest and deepest fall. It was then that she lost the true sense of her relationship to Christ in heaven, and of her character on earth as a pilgrim and a stranger. Now is that so hard?
But be careful with this passage. If you agree with this, then you must be for the separation of church and state, because that's what this excerpt says, that the "fall" of the church was because of ...[h]er unholy alliance with the world. Do you agree with that?
It appears to be common, sinful, attitude among Roman Catholics on this board: presumption. Do they teach that in your catechisms?
Actually, Ed Young of Houston apparently wants to be his own Pope - he’s got 4 or 5 “churches” around town that he rules over. Clearly not biblical, but “pope-ish”.
There is a joy that comes out of obedience.
Presumption? You started this post challenging the authenticity of my faith by declaring the Catholic Church teaches another Gospel. How can anyone who read your remarks think otherwise?
LOL: Pot calling the kettle black here.
If I weren't a Baptist, I would try. We really have so little we differ on.
I understand infant baptism is a great experience. It's good for the baby and it's good for the family. As long as it is not claimed to be imparting Grace I'm not disputing it.
Have you ever been to an adult Baptism? It is a powerful experience. In our church Baptisms are conducted early in the service in front of the congregation (there is a baptismal pool) in the front of the church. The adults being baptized step down into the pool where the pastor is standing. They are questioned by the pastor as to their Faith and they then make a public declaration of their Faith in Jesus Christ as their Lord and Saviour. The pastor then baptizes them.
It is not uncommon to hear their voices break when they are speaking. Sometimes they can't finish speaking. It is overwhelming, these are grown men and women who are revealing to all in attendance their recognition of how lost they are without Jesus Christ. You see family members who can't hold back the tears of joy. You see an entire congregation ready to reach out and grab the person to hug them and tell them how much they love that they are part of this fellowship. It is powerful.
Personally I prefer adult baptism. I think it is the model set forth in Scripture. However, I think Scripture is very clear it does not impart Grace, so if it's done as an infant, or not done at all, it does not condemn anyone.
I think you see the distinction I've been trying to make. Sacrament versus Ordinance.
Saving Grace only comes through Faith, not from the Lord's Supper or Baptism.
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