[hosepipe]

Well Boats.. there is/are lots of information that dont match RCC history accounts.. Miller is only one of them.. also John Foxe and others you gotta watch historians.. SOme try to re-write history to match some agenda..

[StAthanasiustheGreat]

I never tire of recommending “Salvation at Stake” by Brad Gregory. It is very even-keeled when writing about Catholic and Protestant martyrdoms in the 16th Century.

[ChiefBoatswain]

You miss my point. General statements like these do nothing to advance your point. To make a cogent argument, you need to be specific. Would you accept any general statement on my part? I hope not.

So, to make your argument, you need to provide substantiation. Otherwise, your might as well hold your breath until people agree with you.

Let me give you an example, from the preface of the book: Here we have the establishment of Christianity by Constantine as the religion of the State. Instead of persecuting the Christians, he patronized them. From that moment the downward course of the church is rapid. Her unholy alliance with the world proved her saddest and deepest fall. It was then that she lost the true sense of her relationship to Christ in heaven, and of her character on earth as a pilgrim and a stranger. Now is that so hard?

But be careful with this passage. If you agree with this, then you must be for the separation of church and state, because that's what this excerpt says, that the "fall" of the church was because of ...[h]er unholy alliance with the world. Do you agree with that?