Like THESE folks??
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Posted on 02/22/2008 9:11:12 AM PST by Zakeet
They're called the "Lost Boys," the teenagers kicked out of their homes and communities by leaders of the polygamist Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints to ensure there's an ample supply of single, young women who will one day become plural wives. Representative Lorie Fowlke (R-Orem), is running a bill to make this abandonment a felony.
"Estimates are that we've had more than 1,000 children - primarily in southern Utah - thrown out of their homes," Fowlke says. "What we were trying to do with this bill is criminalize this behavior and send a message to this community that they can't just throw away their children."
H.B. 23 adds child abandonment to the definition of child abuse, and makes it a felony crime. It also adds an enhancement if a parent or organization benefits from the child's abandonment to further an illegal enterprise, such as polygamy. This is the case with the FLDS church, says Roger Hoole, a lawyer who represents some of the displaced young men and sits on the board for the Utah Association for Justice. He says the church benefits from kicking out young men who would compete for plural wives. This, he says, has devastating consequences.
"There's a huge impact that's coming, like a tsunami, that's going to hit the state of Utah, when these boys get a little older and realize what has happened to them and get angry," Hoole says. "There's a real problem here."
Fowlke's bill gained unanimous support in a Senate committee this morning, and now heads to the full Senate for consideration.
When something is done because of lust, there is no thought beyond the lust.
Must be something about joseph smith. Why, js is better than walking on water.
Like THESE folks??
When something is done because of lust, there is no thought beyond the lust.
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Do you think the guys who demand that women do this wickedness are driven by lust ???
Like THIS??
gak! yes......
that's worse than the stepford wives, foflol!!!
As for the others, I think the earlier "prophets" most likely were, but over time, this false religion has brainwashed people into thinking "it's right and good." So, some likely don't think that way.
But there are also other forms of lust beyond sexual appetite....power, control, etc. So...who knows what additional "lusts" some may have concerning this.
Regardless. The Seventh Commandments states: THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY. God didn't establish His Commandments so that men could tell God which ones they'll live by and expect Him to do anything but reject their evil terms.
How strange........I don't recall that Abraham's wives/concubines were ALSO married to OTHER MEN while they were ALSO married to Abraham. Do you recall any such Scriptures???
"if she will not abide this commandment she shall be destroyed, saith the Lord; for I am the Lord thy God, and will destroy her if she abide not in my law."
Whatever HAPPENED to Emma???
No; she WASN'T destroyed but stayed behind in Missouri to help with the REFORMED LDS organization; which never DID go along with the ETERNAL COVENANT from GOD Himself to take MULTIPLE wives.
Emma wasn't "destroyed"? She remained behind and died a natural death?
So.............was joseph smith WRONG????
True Prophets of God are 100% right, 100% of the time!
Placemark
Hmmm.... I seem to have nicked a nerve, PM. I got not one, not two, but three separate responses out of you. I must have struck home.
To 1126:
~”Aren’t you glad now that you’re not a Christian?”~
I am a Christian, loud and proud. And you know it.
The mean-spirited, disgraceful, self-proclaimed Christians of whom we speak give the rest of us Christians a bad name. If that were the yardstick for who is Christian, then I -would- be ashamed to be a Christian. It’s unfortunate that Ghandi so insightfully saw through the veneer of holiness that such people have wrapped around themselves. But, it’s a thin veneer, so perhaps his perceptiveness in not surprising.
To 1135:
I’m not sure whether I’m responding here to you or to this “Ray Comfort” fellow. Since you saw fit to post it as a quote, in lieu of enlightening us with original thought of your own, I’m going to assume that you agree with it, and will therefore respond to you as if they were your words.
~”The cynic no doubt did this to illustrate that all Christians are nothing but hypocrites”~
How can one interpret my comments as meaning that “all” Christians are hypocrites? I specifically define my comments as directed toward “the so-called Christians to whom Ghandi seems to have been referring.” Meaning the mean-spirited, disgraceful, self-proclaimed Christians of whom we speak.
Besides that, you know that I believe myself to be a Christian. What sense would it make for me to call all Christians hypocrites? Your logic just doesn’t fit.
You do seem to have gotten quite defensive at that observation. Why would that be? I didn’t accuse you of being in that group.
~”First, no one is like Jesus Christ. He was sinless. “~
That’s true. He also taught us to follow Him. That means striving to emulate His example, despite our inevitable failures at doing so. In my book, this includes avoiding behavior such as lying, mocking, ridiculing, unrighteously judging, and otherwise being uncharitable - you know, like the mean-spirited, disgraceful, self-proclaimed Christians of whom we speak
~”Jesus warned that if we die in our sins, we will end up in Hell. What a tragedy that Ghandi didn’t find any help in his own hopeless religion.”~
Yes, poor Ghandi. A great man, good and righteous as any other mortal, damned to Hell because... well, because the cruel, unloving God worshiped by the mean-spirited, disgraceful, self-proclaimed Christians of whom we speak says so.
To 1139:
~”You mean the way you are ranting now?”~
Ranting? A simple observation is not a rant. Consider the possibility of psychological projection, PM. Why should I rant when I am right? The mean-spirited, disgraceful, self-proclaimed Christians of whom we speak do not act in such a way as to glorify their Lord and Savior. They instead choose to use their religion as a fig leaf for their rage and hate. I believe that is a significant problem in many places in the world. Wouldn’t you agree?
What I actually said was that anyone who equated plural marriage and child abuse needs professional help. Plural marriage is illegal in the United States. Child abuse is both illegal and immoral and dastardly. Now if you and your ilk care to make some more lies about what I said, go ahead.
Actually I was bored and eating my breakfast and the board was pretty dead. It seems all your compadres had abandoned the thread.
I am a Christian, loud and proud. And you know it.
I know you are not. Not by any traditional or orthodox definition of the term. You believe in a Jesus who was once the spirit brother of Lucifer. The Jesus of Christianity is the CREATOR of Lucifer (and everything else).
Yes, poor Ghandi. A great man, good and righteous as any other mortal, damned to Hell because... well, because the cruel, unloving God worshiped by the mean-spirited, disgraceful, self-proclaimed Christians of whom we speak says so.
He rejected Christ. He claimed that Christ was simply a "Good teacher" and not God Incarate. He denied that Christ died for his sins. He denied that Jesus is the only way, the only truth and the only life. He rejected the teachings of Jesus and rejected his mission. The Bible says that such people will die in their sins. Jesus said that such people would suffer hell and eternal damnation where the worm dieth not and there is weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Gentle Jesus, meek and mild...
If you believe that Ghandi, by his good works, was made righteous before God, then you deny the Gospel of Christ.
Narrow is the way, and the narrow way does not include adherence to the polytheistic-Christ-denying Hinduism of Ghandi.
That’s really sad. These kids never had a chance at real happiness. And what’s sadder yet, it’s still happening.
~”Instead of your self-aggrandizing condescension, why not tell us gentiles why you think Ghandi will not be condemned for rejecting Jesus Christ in this life when he heard the Gospel. Or don’t you have anything of substance to offer, Mormon?”~
Did I ever tell you how charming you are when you use the word “Mormon” as an epithet? It really displays your intellectual prowess, too.
You know very well our doctrine regarding free agency. As it pertains to accepting the Gospel, we believe that a person isn’t accountable for not having the truth until they, of their own free will, accept or reject it.
Whether or not they have actually rejected it, we leave up to the Lord to decide. For example, I knocked on a lot of doors as a missionary in Italy. Many of them were closed in my face. Did those people reject the Gospel? How could they have if they didn’t know what they were rejecting? Perhaps my role was simply to plant a seed in their heart; maybe one day in the future, they will be prepared, and will be able to make a knowledgeable decision at that time.
Apply the same principle to Ghandi. If he never understood what he never accepted, he never rejected it, did he? I don’t know if he ever had that opportunity such that he knowingly rejected it. That’s up the the Lord to decide. Of course, then you get into the concept of missionary work being done in the life to come, temple work to provide the saving ordinances by proxy, and the grandness of the fullness of the Plan of Salvation. Many Christians fail to realize that the LDS Church is only a very minor part of the Kingdom of God - which extends past this life and beyond.
Be that as it may, unlike many Christians, you see, we Latter-Day Saints are encouraged by our faith to let God be the arbiter of ultimate justice.
~”I know you are not. Not by any traditional or orthodox definition of the term.”~
See, that’s where you err. The “traditional or orthodox definition of the term” to which you refer is itself a bastardization of the term. Men have, over the centuries, redefined what it means to be a Christian. A Christian used to be one who follows Christ. That’s the sort of person the Romans fed to the lions. Over the centuries, Christianity has embraced falsehood after falsehood, then gotten together and said, “If you don’t believe our falsehoods, then you aren’t a Christian. Certainly not by the traditional or orthodox definition of the term.” This is one of the two things that I mean by the phrase “taking the Christ out of Christian.”
Well, the tradition is wrong. So, I proclaim that I’m not a traditional Christian, because then I would be wrong too. But, try as you might, you cannot effectively redefine what it really means to be Christian, because there is only One who is charge of that particular definition.
~”Jesus said that such people would suffer hell and eternal damnation where the worm dieth not and there is weeping and gnashing of teeth.”~
Your Jesus, perhaps. Mine actually has charity and love of mankind. That’s why He gives them every opportunity to accept Him - even beyond this life. Your Jesus doesn’t seem to be powerful enough to save the ignorant, little children, or the innocent. My Jesus can.
If you are insistent that we worship different Christs, fine, I’ll stick with my Jesus, thanks. I don’t want anything to do with the vengeful, wrathful, spiteful, weakened recasting of Him that your faith has invented over the centuries.
~”If you believe that Ghandi, by his good works, was made righteous before God, then you deny the Gospel of Christ.”~
Of course not. Grace comes by faith. But you abrogate to yourself Christ’s authority to judge. You are no one to proclaim that Ghandi will burn in Hell, and you are no one to proclaim that Christ will not save me.
I know of a fellow who got REAL upset when he found out Sarai was already married to Abram!
NIV Genesis 12:10-20
10. Now there was a famine in the land, and Abram went down to Egypt to live there for a while because the famine was severe.
11. As he was about to enter Egypt, he said to his wife Sarai, "I know what a beautiful woman you are.
12. When the Egyptians see you, they will say, `This is his wife.' Then they will kill me but will let you live.
13. Say you are my sister, so that I will be treated well for your sake and my life will be spared because of you."
14. When Abram came to Egypt, the Egyptians saw that she was a very beautiful woman.
15. And when Pharaoh's officials saw her, they praised her to Pharaoh, and she was taken into his palace.
16. He treated Abram well for her sake, and Abram acquired sheep and cattle, male and female donkeys, menservants and maidservants, and camels.
17. But the LORD inflicted serious diseases on Pharaoh and his household because of Abram's wife Sarai.
18. So Pharaoh summoned Abram. "What have you done to me?" he said. "Why didn't you tell me she was your wife?
19. Why did you say, `She is my sister,' so that I took her to be my wife? Now then, here is your wife. Take her and go!"
20. Then Pharaoh gave orders about Abram to his men, and they sent him on his way, with his wife and everything he had.
And another fellow who got REAL upset when he found out Sarah was already married to Abraham!
NIV Genesis 20:1-18 1. Now Abraham moved on from there into the region of the Negev and lived between Kadesh and Shur. For a while he stayed in Gerar,
2. and there Abraham said of his wife Sarah, "She is my sister." Then Abimelech king of Gerar sent for Sarah and took her.
3. But God came to Abimelech in a dream one night and said to him, "You are as good as dead because of the woman you have taken; she is a married woman."
4. Now Abimelech had not gone near her, so he said, "Lord, will you destroy an innocent nation?
5. Did he not say to me, `She is my sister,' and didn't she also say, `He is my brother'? I have done this with a clear conscience and clean hands."
6. Then God said to him in the dream, "Yes, I know you did this with a clear conscience, and so I have kept you from sinning against me. That is why I did not let you touch her.
7. Now return the man's wife, for he is a prophet, and he will pray for you and you will live. But if you do not return her, you may be sure that you and all yours will die."
8. Early the next morning Abimelech summoned all his officials, and when he told them all that had happened, they were very much afraid.
9. Then Abimelech called Abraham in and said, "What have you done to us? How have I wronged you that you have brought such great guilt upon me and my kingdom? You have done things to me that should not be done."
10. And Abimelech asked Abraham, "What was your reason for doing this?"
11. Abraham replied, "I said to myself, `There is surely no fear of God in this place, and they will kill me because of my wife.'
12. Besides, she really is my sister, the daughter of my father though not of my mother; and she became my wife.
13. And when God had me wander from my father's household, I said to her, `This is how you can show your love to me: Everywhere we go, say of me, "He is my brother." '"
14. Then Abimelech brought sheep and cattle and male and female slaves and gave them to Abraham, and he returned Sarah his wife to him.
15. And Abimelech said, "My land is before you; live wherever you like."
16. To Sarah he said, "I am giving your brother a thousand shekels of silver. This is to cover the offense against you before all who are with you; you are completely vindicated."
17. Then Abraham prayed to God, and God healed Abimelech, his wife and his slave girls so they could have children again,
18. for the LORD had closed up every womb in Abimelech's household because of Abraham's wife Sarah.
( for he is a prophet - no wonder the LDS folks like to point to this flawed man to excuse JS's antics!)
Even the pagans and heathens heed the Word of God when it came to them!
Verse 18 indicates WHY there seems to be no offspring from JS and his other wives, even though the PROPHECY from his lips (or fingers) indicated that he would be the father of multitudes.
You've given me a smile this morning!
http://scriptures.lds.org/en/js_h/1/19#19
17 It no sooner appeared than I found myself delivered from the enemy which held me bound. When the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other—This is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!
18 My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)—and which I should join.
19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: “they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.”
20 He again forbade me to join with any of them; and many other things did he say unto me, which I cannot write at this time. When I came to myself again, I found myself lying on my back, looking up into heaven. When the light had departed, I had no strength; but soon recovering in some degree, I went home. And as I leaned up to the fireplace, mother inquired what the matter was. I replied, “Never mind, all is well—I am well enough off.” I then said to my mother, “I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true.”
Ha!
This is an EASY one!
We've been baptised in the Temple for this gentle man.
He SURELY will accept Christ's offer in the after-life; now that WE'VE made it possible for him to do so!
--MormonDude(So darned PROUD of what WE do for the LOST!)
They have NOW!!
I'm EXTREMELY glad the the 'real' Mormons are doing nothing to 'help' them. Now they may learn of the REAL Christ!
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