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The concept of the "intrinsically evil"
Sacramentum Vitae ^ | December 27, 2007 | Michael Liccione

Posted on 12/28/2007 9:19:39 AM PST by Huber

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To: Tax-chick

I always received visits from the lactation specialists (who I came to refer to as the “breast nazis”)

Finally, after visiting real breast specialists (who knew more about the anatomy and disorders of the breast) they told me I become internally inflamed - so it was either tough it out or bottle feed.

I decided it was better for both of us not to be a basket case during feeding.


61 posted on 12/28/2007 8:44:58 PM PST by Scotswife
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To: Tax-chick

putting #7 to bed now. Good night!


62 posted on 12/28/2007 8:46:10 PM PST by Scotswife
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To: Scotswife

I’m sorry.


63 posted on 12/28/2007 8:46:11 PM PST by Tax-chick ("The keys to life are running and reading." ~ Will Smith)
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To: Scotswife

And my bedtime, too. My mother is visiting tomorrow.


64 posted on 12/28/2007 8:46:50 PM PST by Tax-chick ("The keys to life are running and reading." ~ Will Smith)
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To: Huber

Thanks for the help.

What is your training in Greek? Classical or Koine? And how difficult was it to pick up?

(I’d like to pick up Greek and Latin, but I’m afraid scheduling doesn’t permit anything too formal right now.)


65 posted on 12/28/2007 8:48:49 PM PST by tlRCta (Merry Christmas, folks!)
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To: Tax-chick
I think my son's washer is an LG.

I was up visiting him a couple of months ago, and noticed that his towels had the same funky smell that mine had had. I had to be kind of tactful, even thought my dil was out of town at a funeral, I still wanted to be a good mother-in-law LOL!

As far as I know, my son's washer has given him zero problems, and he's had it a year. Mine is a Kenmore, and it quit working one day just flashed lights at me. (I think that might have had something to do with my granddaughter sneaking in there and pushing all the buttons at once.) It took them 3 weeks to fix it because of where I live, but it runs great now.

66 posted on 12/28/2007 8:49:24 PM PST by Tuscaloosa Goldfinch (If MY people who are called by MY name -- the ball's in our court, folks.)
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To: tlRCta

If you’d like to learn Koine Greek from zero, try “Hey Andrew! Teach Me Some Greek!” from the Greek N Stuff company. I’d suggest an adult beginner start with Level 3.


67 posted on 12/28/2007 8:50:46 PM PST by Tax-chick ("The keys to life are running and reading." ~ Will Smith)
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To: tlRCta

What’s my Greek training? I pasted the Greek word into a Yahoo search bar and posted the answer. (I’m a management consultant - we can’t possibly know all the answers to questions that our clients ask, but we know how to find answers quickly!)


68 posted on 12/28/2007 8:51:49 PM PST by Huber (And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. - John 1:5)
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To: Tuscaloosa Goldfinch

Appreciate the information. The salesguys said a funky smell could be a problem. We’ve had that from time to time with our current machines.


69 posted on 12/28/2007 8:52:17 PM PST by Tax-chick ("The keys to life are running and reading." ~ Will Smith)
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To: Tax-chick

Thanks for the tip.

I must admit, though, if I were to use something called “Hey Andrew! Teach Me Some Greek!” from “Greek N Stuff” my friends who are taking Greek in formal classes with professors would have a good laugh.

How hard have you found learning Greek?


70 posted on 12/28/2007 8:54:56 PM PST by tlRCta (Merry Christmas, folks!)
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To: Tax-chick
Thanks for the Melaleuca tip.

Goodnight, y'all.

71 posted on 12/28/2007 8:55:42 PM PST by Tuscaloosa Goldfinch (If MY people who are called by MY name -- the ball's in our court, folks.)
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To: Kolokotronis

I do believe in Just War. I also believe in capital-E Evil.

As for forgiveness, I truly believe that God is perfect and cannot render imperfect justice. In that hope, I hold that He will not allow those who love Him to roast forever in Hell for the crime of doing their duty to defend their homelands against the aggressor, even if in so doing they killed innocent people.

I’m not sure what you are driving at here, friend Kolokotronis. If your goal is to pick at the wound that lies between the Eastern and Western halves of the Sacred Heart of Jesus, mission accomplished. I fail to see the benefit it will produce.


72 posted on 12/28/2007 9:43:44 PM PST by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: Scotswife

We must all go beyond our limits. Jesus did. We can, with His help.


73 posted on 12/28/2007 9:47:04 PM PST by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: tlRCta

I’m finding Greek easy enough so far, but then I’m learning with a boy who just turned 6, with a text oriented to elementary-school children :-). It reminds me of Spanish, which I studied in high school and college, in many ways; some of the words are very close cognates.

There are higher-level Greek programs, of course! Here’s a link to the “Institute of Biblical Greek,” with book suggestions:

http://www.biblicalgreek.org/books/


74 posted on 12/29/2007 4:49:37 AM PST by Tax-chick ("The keys to life are running and reading." ~ Will Smith)
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To: Scotswife; Tax-chick
but it can also be employed by someone who has tried their best to follow the teaching, but found NFP to be completely unreliable. Someone who has been seeking advice from priests for years on this matter, and has made an honest effort to make it work. Someone who is now pregnant with their 8th child, who is literally capable of having one baby per year and is overwhelmed.

I can only encourage you to have faith. I cannot possibly fathom everything that you are going through right now, but I believe that TC and some others here on FR might.

Here are the Propers for Morning Prayer from our Book of Common Prayer (Anglican 1928) for Today, Dec 29:

The Psalter

Psalm 27
The Twenty-Seventh Psalm
Dominus illuminatio.

THE LORD is my light and my salvation; whom then shall I fear? * the LORD is the strength of my life; of whom then shall I be afraid?

When the wicked, even mine enemies and my foes, came upon me to eat up my flesh, * they stumbled and fell.

Though an host of men were laid against me, yet shall not my heart be afraid; * and though there rose up war against me, yet will I put my trust in him.

One thing have I desired of the LORD, which I will require; * even that I may dwell in the house of the LORD all the days of my life, to behold the fair beauty of the LORD, and to visit his temple.

For in the time of trouble he shall hide me in his tabernacle; * yea, in the secret place of his dwelling shall he hide me, and set me up upon a rock of stone.

And now shall he lift up mine head * above mine enemies round about me.

Therefore will I offer in his dwelling an oblation, with great gladness: * I will sing and speak praises unto the LORD.

Hearken unto my voice, O LORD, when I cry unto thee; * have mercy upon me, and hear me.

My heart hath talked of thee, Seek ye my face: * Thy face, LORD, will I seek.

O hide not thou thy face from me, * nor cast thy servant away in displeasure.

Thou hast been my succour; * leave me not, neither forsake me, O God of my salvation.

When my father and my mother forsake me, * the LORD taketh me up.

Teach me thy way, O LORD, * and lead me in the right way, because of mine enemies.

Deliver me not over into the will of mine adversaries: * for there are false witnesses risen up against me, and such as speak wrong.

I should utterly have fainted, * but that I believe verily to see the goodness of the LORD in the land of the living.

O tarry thou the LORD'S leisure; * be strong, and he shall comfort thine heart; and put thou thy trust in the LORD.

The First Lesson
Isaiah 56:1-8

Thus saith the Lord, Keep ye judgment, and do justice: for my salvation is near to come, and my righteousness to be revealed. Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil. Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to the Lord, speak, saying, The Lord hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree. For thus saith the Lord unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant; Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off. Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the Lord, to serve him, and to love the name of the Lord, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant; Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people. The Lord God which gathereth the outcasts of Israel saith, Yet will I gather others to him, beside those that are gathered unto him.

The Second Lesson I John 1:1-10

That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life; (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;) That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ. And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full. This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

The Collect Christmas Day

ALMIGHTY God, who hast given us thy only-begotten Son to take our nature upon him, and as at this time to be born of a pure virgin; Grant that we being regenerate, and made thy children by adoption and grace, may daily be renewed by thy Holy Spirit; through the same our Lord Jesus Christ, who liveth and reigneth with thee and the same Spirit ever, one God, world without end. Amen.

75 posted on 12/29/2007 5:08:26 AM PST by Huber (And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. - John 1:5)
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76 posted on 12/29/2007 5:11:09 AM PST by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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To: tlRCta; Pyro7480; Tax-chick

“What’s the translation of the Greek, please?”

It means “missing the mark”, the mark being Christ, thus, sin.


77 posted on 12/29/2007 5:37:50 AM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Tax-chick

“Objections to the points the author of this article makes tend to suggest that the teaching is wrong because it is difficult. I sympathize - there are points of morality where I’m a total failure! - but it’s not a rational objection; truth doesn’t become falsehood because the truth makes difficult demands of us.”

Really nicely put. Some of the demands are almost impossible for some people and they give in time and time again (me too). Will we then call the Law evil because it highlights the nature of the person to failure in a particular area? Certainly not it is in fact the knowlege of one’s sin and sinful nature that drives one to repentance. When we call evil good and good evil, as is promintent in our modern culture, we remove the form of grace needed to drive us to repent. Is it any wonder people nowadays rejoice in their sinfullness. Their consciousness of sin has been removed and so they cast of the restraint of the Law and the guilt associated with breaking it. ( I think the Simpsons “church” jokingly called it the miracle of shame)

For myself I ask God to search my heart that I may know what is not His good and perfect will that resides within me!

Cheers

Mel


78 posted on 12/29/2007 5:42:58 AM PST by melsec (A Proud Aussie)
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To: spunkets

Here’s what +John Chrysostomos makes of the verse. His take is a bit different from yours. Quite clearly servants fight in a fallen world, like this one but there is no need for that in the kingdom of God. This of course is consistent with The Church’s teaching of theosis, the process of becoming like God. Unless one adheres to the “other” Western notion of a vengeful God whose wrath was slaked only by the shedding of innocent blood, fighting/war are antithetical to becoming like God.

” “My Kingdom is not of this world.”

He leadeth upwards Pilate who was not a very wicked man, nor after their fashion, and desireth to show that He is not a mere man, but God and the Son of God. And what saith He?

“If My Kingdom were of this world, then would My servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews but now in My kingdom not from hence,” N.T.

He undoeth that which Pilate for a while had feared, namely, the suspicion of seizing kingly power, “Is then His kingdom not of this world also? Certainly it is. How then saith He it ‘is not’? Not because He doth not rule here, but because He hath his empire from above, and because it is not human, but far greater than this and more splendid. “If then it be greater, how was He made captive by the other?” By consenting, and giving Himself up. But He doth not at present reveal this, but what saith He? “If I had been of this world, ‘My servants would fight, that I should not be delivered.’” Here He showeth the weakness of kingship among us, that its strength lies in servants; but that which is above is sufficient for itself, needing nothing. From this the heretics taking occasion say, that He is different from the Creator. What then, when it saith, “He came to His own”? What, when Himself saith, “They are not of this world, as I am not of this world”? So also He saith that His kingdom is not from hence, not depriving the world of His providence and superintendence, but showing, as I said, that His power was not human or perishable. What then said Pilate?.... “My Kingdom is not of this world.”

He leadeth upwards Pilate who was not a very wicked man, nor after their fashion, and desireth to show that He is not a mere man, but God and the Son of God. And what saith He?

“If My Kingdom were of this world, then would My servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews.”24282428 “to the Jews; but now in My kingdom not from hence,” N.T.

He undoeth that which Pilate for a while had feared, namely, the suspicion of seizing kingly power, “Is then His kingdom not of this world also?”24292429 Ben. omits “also.” Certainly it is. “How then saith He it ‘is not’?” Not because He doth not rule here, but because He hath his empire from above, and because it is not human, but far greater than this and more splendid. “If then it be greater, how was He made captive by the other?” By consenting, and giving Himself up. But He doth not at present reveal24302430 al. “hide.” this, but what saith He? “If I had been of this world, ‘My servants would fight, that I should not be delivered.’” Here He showeth the weakness of kingship among us, that its strength lies in servants; but that which is above is sufficient for itself, needing nothing. From this the heretics taking occasion say, that He is different from the Creator. What then, when it saith, “He came to His own”? ( c. i. 11 .) What, when Himself saith, “They are not of this world, as I am not of this world”? ( c. xvii. 14.) So also He saith that His kingdom is not from hence, not depriving the world of His providence and superintendence, but showing, as I said, that His power was not human or perishable. What then said Pilate?...”


79 posted on 12/29/2007 5:50:04 AM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Tax-chick; Pyro7480; Huber; B-Chan

“How funny, from the descendant of O Turkophagos.”

Well, I could argue that eating Turks is a sacrament, but that also would be a sin!

TC, Orthodoxy has always condemned war and has always recognized it as something that happens in this fallen world, sometimes it even has to happen among men, but that doesn’t make it any less sinful. Orthodoxy doesn’t give communion to soldiers engaged in battle but provides confession to them freely which they partake of. For us, TC, the fact that men often are, in their own minds, compelled to war does not make war any less sinful. The Church and Orthodox society deal with that. The West pretends it is no sin and thus doesn’t need to deal with the reality of the sin of war. Of late the Anglican Communion has been dealing with the same operative concept, namely sin not being sin; its a very slippery slope, TC.


80 posted on 12/29/2007 5:56:56 AM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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