LDS defend the faith as Christian

The Salt Lake Tribune ^ | 10/07/07 | By Peggy Fletcher Stack

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Not only is Mormonism a Christian faith, it is the truest form of Christianity, said speaker after speaker on the first day of the 177th Semiannual LDS General Conference. LDS authorities were responding to the allegation that Mormonism isn't part of Christianity. Made by different mainline Protestant and Catholic churches and repeated constantly during coverage of Mitt Romney's presidential campaign, the claim is based on Mormonism's beliefs about God, its rejection of ancient ideas about the Trinity still widely accepted, and the LDS Church's extra-biblical scriptures. "It is not our purpose to demean any person's belief nor the doctrine of any religion," said Apostle Jeffrey R. Holland in the afternoon session. "But if one says we are not Christians because we do not hold a fourth- or fifth-century view of the Godhead, then what of those first [Christians], many of whom were eye-witnesses of the living Christ, who did not hold such a view either?"

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The day's sermons included many familiar themes, including the importance of faith, the need for pure thoughts and actions, avoiding pornography reaching out to neighbors and eliminating spiritual procrastination. Hinckley talked about the destructive nature of anger in marriages, on the road, and in life, urging Mormons to "control your tempers, to put a smile upon your faces, which will erase anger; speak with words of love and peace, appreciation and respect."

[Elsie]

They believed in the dead prophets only, and wanted no further revelation from God.

Sorry; but this assertion is incorrect.

Luke 16:19-31
19.  "There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day.
 20.  At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores
 21.  and longing to eat what fell from the rich man's table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores.
 22.  "The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham's side. The rich man also died and was buried.
 23.  In hell,  where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side.
 24.  So he called to him, `Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.'
 25.  "But Abraham replied, `Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony.
 26.  And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.'
 27.  "He answered, `Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my father's house,
 28.  for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.'
 29.  "Abraham replied, `They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.'
 30.  "`No, father Abraham,' he said, `but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.'
 31.  "He said to him, `If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.'"

 

 

[Elsie]

From this passage, it is clear that grace alone is insufficient and that it must be coupled with rightousness, faith and confession.

 

Will these Faith vs Works discussions EVER produce any agreement between debating sides??

 

 

Is the glass half full or half empty?

 

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[Elsie]

Yet, we have been commanded to “Be ye therefore perfect”

True.

But...

...we've NOT read THIS:

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“Be ye therefore perfect” ; or ELSE!

[Elsie]

So was this place marker with the hidden white text meant to fool us into not looking? A “secret combination” if you will? :-) JK.

Wise men still seek...

;^)

[Utah Binger]

Thanks, went out to the coffee shack to make another fine morning brew.

[Elsie]

Can you see now why we hold no love for the creeds of men?

But just ADORE out 13 Articles of Faith!

(Which, BTW, isn't a creed.)

--MormonDude(Nope; no way - it's not: I'm SURE!)

[Elsie]

And the LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.

This looks DANGEROUSLY like a SNIPPET!!!

Have YOU 'sinned against the Lord'?

Bye-bye.....

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Ron Popeil moment follows...

"But wait! There's MORE!!"

30. The next day Moses said to the people, "You have committed a great sin. But now I will go up to the LORD; perhaps I can make atonement for your sin."
31. So Moses went back to the LORD and said, "Oh, what a great sin these people have committed! They have made themselves gods of gold.
32. But now, please forgive their sin--but if not, then blot me out of the book you have written."
33. The LORD replied to Moses, "Whoever has sinned against me I will blot out of my book.
34. Now go, lead the people to the place I spoke of, and my angel will go before you. However, when the time comes for me to punish, I will punish them for their sin."
35. And the LORD struck the people with a plague because of what they did with the calf Aaron had made.

[Old Mountain man]

When dear little Elsie uses the tone she uses, it sounds like a personal attack. When she refuses to acknowledge the plain language of the New Testament, it sounds like a personal attack.

What am I supposed to think?

[Old Mountain man]

Really? Are you certain of that? Perhaps you ought to give it a clean read.

[Elsie]

What are you talking about?

You've lost your train of thought. Go back through the replies and see just where you jumped the tracks.

[Elsie]

First, God does everything to you like a puppet master vs. you have to get your own faith.

HUH?

Which one goes with which church(s)?

[Utah Binger]

Oh ye of confused genders! LOL

LC Rules!

[Elsie]

and then in a later, in another post, you try to rewrite history and make out that you really said something you didn’t.

Oh??

Which ONE is that??

It's hard for ME to read YOUR mind in these matters.

[Old Mountain man]

I am not attacking Ford. I don’t even really care about him. Why should I read his book?

You obviously care about us since you are one of the attackers. You ought to read the standard works as a whole if you are going to spend your life telling me what is wrong with my Church.

Otherwise, you might check out the beam in thine own eye.

[Elsie]

;^)

I know the feeling!

[Elsie]

The part about which origination was the one God chose.

Well; just WHICH organization IS that?

(I do so wish you'd not leave out the really important thing that you are trying to describe!)

[Old Mountain man]

I like that tag!

[Elsie]

and your the one who posted from the bible about man being the head of the woman.

Sigh...

This merely shows what was in place FROM THE GARDEN!

There is NO 'chain' of command where man is taught by man.

[Old Mountain man]

Now Elsie, there you go again. You promulgate a falsehood without answering a direct question.

[Old Mountain man]

Now Elsie, there you go again.