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Posted on 09/24/2007 8:16:13 AM PDT by colorcountry
Being excommunicated for apostasy by the Mormon church is one thing, but Lyndon Lamborn is livid that his stake president has ordered bishops in eight Mesa wards to take the rare step of announcing disciplinary action against him to church members today. "I thought if he could go public, so can I," said Lamborn, a lifelong member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, who said his research into church history gave him "thousands of reasons the church can't be what it claims to be."
Stake President R. James Molina acknowledged Friday he intends to have Lamborn's excommunication announced to the wards at men's priesthood meetings and womens Relief Society gatherings, even with Lamborn now taking his case public. Molina, as well as officials at church headquarters in Salt Lake City, call such a public warning about an ousted member extremely rare. They say, however, church members must be protected from what discordant ex-followers may say to damage the church...................
(Excerpt) Read more at msnbc.msn.com ...
She’s chunked up a bit, but after these weeks go by: Watch out!
Perhaps they are looking to collect Gospel Groupies: ones who troll the churches, staying a while to get 'filled', then moving on when the 'discipline' message starts to work on them again.
Maybe THIS sheds some light on the Mexican question...
The real Mitt Romney is a descendant of pioneer Mormons, a passionate lay leader, a lion of the modern LDS church. He is also the son of George Romney, the former governor of Michigan and president of American Motors, a straight-talking, hard-driven Mormon who stood up for what he believed in, even at great political cost. Born in Mexico in an LDS community devoted to perpetuating the practice of polygamy (George’s grandparents were polygamous; his parents were not), George finally settled in Salt Lake City.
No worries....
FRegards,
Marie has filled out a bit, but remember Joey from last season? He was heavy at the state and slimmed down a lot by the end of the season from all the dancing. I think he lost about 40#. I think the same will happen with Marie. There was a lot of cleavage showing when she was laid back. Nice. Good looking legs, too. She's going to need a new wardrobe when she is done with this show because she has pretty good potential.
The Hip hop girl is the favorite amongst the women at this point.
I don’t think the Mormon vote is going to help MArie that much. I kind of expected the Mormon vote to keep the Duttons on “America’s Got Talent” longer than they stayed.
Where have the Mormons gone?
None on this thread today.
(Mighta been a memo or sumpthin’)
Thanks Elsie, as Johnny Carson would say, I didn’t know that!
Check out some of the comments on the link.
Mr. Lamborn even commented there. Here is what he wrote.
As with most news stories, what wasn’t told is actually more interesting. When I first confronted my bishop about my findings and questions, he immediately went into ‘damage control’ mode. I mentioned in confidentiality that I had been discussing the issues with my brothers. The following week, my bishop had contacted the bishops of ALL my brothers, and they each received a visit from the ‘Men In Black’. I honestly felt I was in 1939 Nazi Germany. Real life is stranger than fiction!
Lyndon Lamborn Comment has been reviewed September 23, 2007
Thanks for the follow-up. I no longer fear the “men in black.”
Thanks for the follow-up. I no longer fear the “men in black.”
From the sound of this, freedom OF religion doesn't mean freedom FROM religion, does it? Contacting all his brothers? As Elsie said on another thread, Sharia or Temple Rites? You make the call.....
LOL...
How appropriate!
I found THEM!!!
After slinking off the field here, they’ve wound up HERE:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1905059/posts
I can’t WAIT ‘til tomorrow to see what’s in the hole!
Sorry this is so late, I am playing catch up. The absolute fallibility of all men, including prophets reminds me of what is sometimes referred to as the Psalm of Nephi. Talk about a human being, who understood the frailty of the flesh and all that it entailed. I know this is long, but it's one of my favorite passages from the book of Mormon. Sorry to spam it:
2 Nephi 4:
16 Behold, my soul delighteth in the things of the Lord; and my heart pondereth continually upon the things which I have seen and heard.
17 Nevertheless, notwithstanding the great goodness of the Lord, in showing me his great and marvelous works, my heart exclaimeth: O wretched man that I am! Yea, my heart csorroweth because of my flesh; my soul grieveth because of mine iniquities.
18 I am encompassed about, because of the temptations and the sins which do so easily beset me.
19 And when I desire to rejoice, my heart groaneth because of my sins; nevertheless, I know in whom I have trusted.
20 My God hath been my support; he hath led me through mine afflictions in the wilderness; and he hath preserved me upon the waters of the great deep.
21 He hath filled me with his love, even unto the consuming of my flesh.
22 He hath confounded mine enemies, unto the causing of them to quake before me.
23 Behold, he hath heard my cry by day, and he hath given me acknowledge by bvisions in the night-time.
24 And by day have I waxed bold in mighty prayer before him; yea, my voice have I sent up on high; and angels came down and ministered unto me.
25 And upon the wings of his Spirit hath my body been carried away upon exceedingly high mountains. And mine eyes have beheld great things, yea, even too great for man; therefore I was bidden that I should not write them.
26 O then, if I have seen so great things, if the Lord in his condescension unto the children of men hath avisited men in so much mercy, cwhy should my heart weep and my soul linger in the valley of sorrow, and my flesh waste away, and my strength slacken, because of mine afflictions?
27 And why should I yield to sin, because of my flesh? Yea, why should I give way to temptations, that the evil one have place in my heart to destroy my peace and afflict my soul? Why am I angry because of mine enemy?
28 Awake, my soul! No longer droop in sin. Rejoice, O my heart, and give place no more for the enemy of my soul.
29 Do not anger again because of mine enemies. Do not slacken my strength because of mine afflictions.
30 Rejoice, O my heart, and cry unto the Lord, and say: O Lord, I will praise thee forever; yea, my soul will rejoice in thee, my God, and the rock of my salvation.
31 O Lord, wilt thou redeem my soul? Wilt thou deliver me out of the hands of mine enemies? Wilt thou make me that I may shake at the appearance of sin?
32 May the gates of hell be shut continually before me, because that my heart is broken and my spirit is contrite! O Lord, wilt thou not shut the gates of thy righteousness before me, that I may walk in the path of the low valley, that I may be strict in the plain road!
33 O Lord, wilt thou encircle me around in the robe of thy righteousness! O Lord, wilt thou make a way for mine escape before mine enemies! Wilt thou make my path straight before me! Wilt thou not place a stumbling block in my way—but that thou wouldst clear my way before me, and hedge not up my way, but the ways of mine enemy.
34 O Lord, I have trusted in thee, and I will trust in thee forever. I will not put my ctrust in the arm of flesh; for I know that cursed is he that putteth his trust in the arm of flesh. Yea, cursed is he that putteth his trust in man or maketh flesh his arm. 35 Yea, I know that God will give liberally to him that asketh. Yea, my God will give me, if I bask not amiss; therefore I will lift up my voice unto thee; yea, I will cry unto thee, my God, the rock of my righteousness. Behold, my voice shall forever ascend up unto thee, my rock and mine everlasting God. Amen.
And here is what Abraham Said:
Genesis 20:12
And yet indeed she is my sister; she is the daughter of my father, but not the daughter of my mother; and she became my wife.
My guess is that there was no need to command, because they all understood it and many many practiced it.
However, if you want commands, here ya go. Just 22 verses after "Thou Shalt not commit adultery", we find this little tidbit in the Law, about how to treat a second wife as to her rights of Marriage:
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Exodus 21:10-11
10 If he take him another wife; her food, her raiment, and her duty of marriage, shall he not diminish.
11 And if he do not these three unto her, then shall she go out free without money.
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And later, in Deuteronomy, it tells what to do with offspring of a current second wife that is not as loved as the first wife:
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Deuteronomy 21
15 ¶ If a man have two wives, one beloved, and another hated, and they have born him children, both the beloved and the hated; and if the firstborn son be hers that was hated:
16 Then it shall be, when he maketh his sons to inherit that which he hath, that he may not make the son of the beloved firstborn before the son of the hated, which is indeed the firstborn:
17 But he shall acknowledge the son of the hated for the firstborn, by giving him a double portion of all that he hath: for he is the beginning of his strength; the right of the firstborn is his.
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Sure is odd that for a people that were not supposed to have multiple wives, there is mosaic law regarding day to day details and problems that arise from such relationships.
Yes, there is mention of hagar being a wife:
Gen. 16: 3 And Sarai Abram’s wife took Hagar her maid the Egyptian, after Abram had dwelt ten years in the land of Canaan, and gave her to her husband Abram to be his wife.
Further, a little tidbit I just noticed...
Sarai acknowledges God's hand in her barrenness, and considering the promises to Abraham, she does what is certainly within the law, what her parents had done, what her children and grandchildren did...
Gen. 16: 2 (1-3).
2 And Sarai said unto Abram, Behold now, the LORD hath restrained me from bearing: I pray thee, go in unto my maid; it may be that I may obtain children by her. And Abram hearkened to the voice of Sarai.
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