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DNA and the Dead Sea Scrolls how do the pieces fit!
BYU TV ^ | 1998 | Scott Woodward

Posted on 09/15/2007 11:47:41 AM PDT by restornu

Click Video- Learn how DNA was able to sort out and match the DDS fragments



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To: Elsie

I guess I could post some verses about those who can’t explain as well. However, I can see how this would difficult for you to explain.

BTW, in response to your question to Utah Girl, the way we know is by personal revelation. We have asked the Lord as he repeatedly asked us to do in the scriptures & have received an answer from Him rather than relying on our own personal reasoning. Have you received a like witness, or should we just take your word for it that what you speak is truth? That is not meant as a slap, just food for thought.


261 posted on 09/18/2007 11:57:08 AM PDT by Reno232
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To: Elsie

Buster?
What a funny thing to say.
You claim that stalemate...I’ll claim salvation.


262 posted on 09/18/2007 11:57:09 AM PDT by svcw (There is no plan B.)
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To: Reno232; svcw; Cvengr
Chow down......


Is the Tooth Fairy Real?: A Fable

 

Harriet told her little brother Dan that there was no Tooth Fairy; it was their parents who put the money under the pillow.

Dan refused to believe Harriet. He knew there was a Tooth Fairy. Every time he put a tooth under his pillow, there was money there the next morning. And all his friends said the Tooth Fairy brought them money too. And it couldn't be Mom and Dad because he'd wake up if they came in the room and lifted his pillow. Anyway, Mom and Dad said there was a Tooth Fairy, and they wouldn't lie.

Harriet asked him how he thought the Tooth Fairy found out about lost teeth, how she got into the house, where she got the money from, and what she did with the teeth. Dan said he didn't know, but wasn't it a wonderful mystery? Harriet pointed out that older kids all eventually stopped believing in the Tooth Fairy. Dan said that only proved that the Tooth Fairy would only bring money to those who still believed in her.

Harriet got several neighborhood kids to help test whether the Tooth Fairy would appear if the parents didn't know a tooth had been lost. It turned out that every time the parents knew about the tooth, there would be money under the pillow the next morning, and every time the parents didn't know about the tooth, there would be no money, Dan said the Tooth Fairy was just refusing to cooperate in those cases, because she wouldn't bring money if she knew she was being tested.

Harriet led Dan into their parents' bedroom, opened a dresser drawer, and showed him a box containing all of Harriet's and Dan's baby teeth neatly labeled and dated. She said that was proof their parents were taking the teeth and leaving the money. Dan said it was no such thing; the Tooth Fairy probably passed the teeth on to parents for keepsakes, or maybe she sold teeth to parents to raise the money she put under the pillows. Hey, yeah, that would explain the fingerprints!

Harriet and Dan confronted their parents, who admitted they had been taking the teeth and leaving the money under the pillow. Dan said either they were lying before or they're lying now, and they're probably lying now. Why trust what anyone says? He was just going to ignore everything except what he knew the tooth-under-the-pillow thing worked. The Tooth Fairy was real.

Harriet screamed in frustration and tore all her hair out. She left it under her pillow. It was still there in the morning.

 



Harriet Hall is a retired physician who lives in Puyallup, Washington, and writes about alternative medicine and pseudoscience.

This is her fourth article for SKEPTICAL INQUIRER. E-mail: harriet.hall@comcast.net.

COPYRIGHT 2006 Committee for the Scientific Investigation of Claims of the Paranormal



 

Further enlightening reading:  http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2843/is_3_30/ai_n16418742

(It explains a LOT!!!)

 


263 posted on 09/18/2007 12:02:54 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: svcw
You claim that stalemate...I’ll claim salvation.

Well...

So will I!

After I've done all I can do.

--MormonDude(Workin' on my recommend...)

264 posted on 09/18/2007 12:05:00 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Well, you got me.


266 posted on 09/18/2007 12:13:23 PM PDT by svcw (There is no plan B.)
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To: Elsie

Sorry but Salvation is not of Elsie.


267 posted on 09/18/2007 12:14:26 PM PDT by svcw (There is no plan B.)
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To: Elsie
So it's entirely possible, that some lad of today, searching for truth in the world, will be led by some Personage(s) to find some titanium plates in a sand dune in New Mexico and to be told that all the LDS wards are in apostacy and he will be the One to lead the confused into a Total & Complete Gospel.

Nothing in Mormonism precludes anyone from receiving revelations from heaven—including visions, angelic visitations, even titanium plates (if that is how God schoose to communicate). Indeed, we are encouraged to seek personal revelation to guide us through life.

However, unless your hypothetical youth were the President of the Church, God would not give him revelations for the entire Church, but for his own benefit. I would feel confident in rejecting his claims simply on that basis.

Have I answered your questions regarding the temple and the scriptures?

268 posted on 09/18/2007 12:17:26 PM PDT by Logophile
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To: FastCoyote
The choice of word used to describe the motivation or behavior of the father, Heber, concerning his daughter's binding to Joseph Smith is inflammatory per se and thus the sidebar shall be pulled.

The issues involved should be discussed without provoking a flame war.

269 posted on 09/18/2007 12:20:26 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Elsie
The KJV, which is claimed to be poorly translated,

Hmmm, isn't this why most protestants don't use the KJV these days? I've seen a few examples on these threads of the KJV being tossed out because it doesn't say what people want it to say.

271 posted on 09/18/2007 1:08:43 PM PDT by sevenbak (Truth shall spring out of the earth; and righteousness shall look down from heaven. ~Psalms 85:11)
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To: Elsie; Reno232
It appears that it explains itself!!

Sure sounds like the gathering of Israel to me, all of which, according to Ezekiel 37 happens after the Sticks of Judah and Joseph come together. What about that is any different than what has been mentioned already by Reno?

272 posted on 09/18/2007 1:12:27 PM PDT by sevenbak (Truth shall spring out of the earth; and righteousness shall look down from heaven. ~Psalms 85:11)
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To: sevenbak
Hmmm, isn't this why most protestants don't use the KJV these days?

I don't know about MOST....

I don't use a bible translated into Spanish because I don't understand the language.

Same deal with KJV.

273 posted on 09/18/2007 1:13:15 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Religion Moderator
“It was a strange doctrine, and very dangerous too, to be introduced at such a time, when in the midst of the greatest trouble Joseph had ever encountered. The Missourians and Illinoisans were ready and determined to destroy him. They could but take his life, and that he considered a small thing when compared with the eternal punishment which he was doomed to suffer if he did not teach and obey this principle. No earthly inducement could be held forth to the women who entered this order. It was to be a life sacrifice for the sake of an everlasting glory and exaltation" (Whitney 1880-1883).

Sorry, Honey, but it only lasted 47 years!

274 posted on 09/18/2007 1:15:42 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Religion Moderator
Helen took 24 hours to respond to this request, and consented after Smith explained to her that it would ensure her eternal salvation along with that of her family.

Think about it ladies...

275 posted on 09/18/2007 1:18:32 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: sevenbak
What about that is any different than what has been mentioned already by Reno?

I have no idea. He was asking a lot of "What's yer interpretation?" type questions and not stating much of his own 'interpretation'.

276 posted on 09/18/2007 1:23:17 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
What part of ISRAEL is hard to understand?

Um, that would be the GATHERING of Israel, from all over the earth: verse 21 from the Ez. reference: ... I will take the Israelites out of the nations where they have gone. I will gather them from all around and bring them back into their own land.

Now compare with this from the stick of Jospeh: There are many many more, it's one of the central themes of the Book of Mormon, the gathering of God's chosen people, Israel, back to the lands and the true faith of their fathers.

1 Nephi 22:

11 Wherefore, the Lord God will proceed to make bare his arm in the eyes of all the nations, in bringing about his covenants and his gospel unto those who are of the house of Israel.

12 Wherefore, he will bring them again out of captivity, and they shall be gathered together to the lands of their inheritance; and they shall be brought out of obscurity and out of darkness; and they shall know that the Lord is their Savior and their Redeemer, the Mighty One of Israel.

277 posted on 09/18/2007 1:23:17 PM PDT by sevenbak (Truth shall spring out of the earth; and righteousness shall look down from heaven. ~Psalms 85:11)
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To: Elsie
I love the Book of Enoch, I hope we get the rest of it someday.

Do not hold your breath.

Why not? Enoch is quoted in the New Testament, and yet it's not in the scriptures. It makes sense that it's important, so yes, I will hope we receive all that was written.

278 posted on 09/18/2007 1:26:09 PM PDT by sevenbak (Truth shall spring out of the earth; and righteousness shall look down from heaven. ~Psalms 85:11)
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To: sevenbak
Enoch is quoted in the New Testament, and yet it's not in the scriptures.
 


NIV Genesis 4:17-18
 17.  Cain lay with his wife, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Enoch. Cain was then building a city, and he named it after his son Enoch.
 18.  To Enoch was born Irad, and Irad was the father of Mehujael, and Mehujael was the father of Methushael, and Methushael was the father of Lamech.
 

NIV Genesis 5:18-24
 18.  When Jared had lived 162 years, he became the father of Enoch.
 19.  And after he became the father of Enoch, Jared lived 800 years and had other sons and daughters.
 20.  Altogether, Jared lived 962 years, and then he died.
 21.  When Enoch had lived 65 years, he became the father of Methuselah.
 22.  And after he became the father of Methuselah, Enoch walked with God 300 years and had other sons and daughters.
 23.  Altogether, Enoch lived 365 years.
 24.  Enoch walked with God; then he was no more, because God took him away.
 

NIV 1 Chronicles 1:3
   Enoch, Methuselah, Lamech, Noah.
NIV Luke 3:37
   the son of Methuselah, the son of Enoch, the son of Jared, the son of Mahalalel, the son of Kenan,
 

NIV Hebrews 11:5
   By faith Enoch was taken from this life, so that he did not experience death; he could not be found, because God had taken him away. For before he was taken, he was commended as one who pleased God.
 

NIV Jude 1:14-15
 14.  Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men: "See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones
 15.  to judge everyone, and to convict all the ungodly of all the ungodly acts they have done in the ungodly way, and of all the harsh words ungodly sinners have spoken against him."
 
 
HuH??
 
WHICH 'ENOCH'??

279 posted on 09/18/2007 1:37:01 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
Speculation??

None whatsoever. Enoch specifically mentions that he was taken to all 7 heavens over the course of 2 months,...

(hmmm, sound familiar, different levels of heaven?? Where have we heard that before?)

...and was there commanded to write all that he learned and saw. He says he wrote 366 books, to be exact, and gave them to his children when he died.

Why on earth would not everyone who believes in God want these records in their entirety?

And just for clarification, we (LDS) specifically want the records of Enoch because they are prophesied of coming forth in the due time of the Lord and giving us all additional truth.

D&C 107:57 These things were all written in the book of Enoch, and are to be testified of in due time.

280 posted on 09/18/2007 1:38:20 PM PDT by sevenbak (Truth shall spring out of the earth; and righteousness shall look down from heaven. ~Psalms 85:11)
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