Where Have All the Christian Men Gone? My Conversation with John Eldredge

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Where Have All the Christian Men Gone? My Conversation with John Eldredge

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September 3, 2007

Many men balk at the idea of going to church. Some resist the tendency in Christian circles to "feminize" God. Others object to how Christian men tend to be so tame and passive — more like women — and very bored. And so, it is perhaps not surprising that John Eldredge's books, especially Wild at Heart, have been wildly successful. Seeking to discover the secret of a man's soul, Catholic and Protestant men alike are rushing to buy and read Eldredge's books.

To generations of men who have been force-fed the idea that there are no real differences between the sexes and that men ought to explore their "feminine side," Eldredge offers the encouragement to explore their "father-son wound," to join in the battle for their masculine heart, and find the warrior deep inside. If men understand the reality of sin and the devil and reconnect with the original purity and openness of their masculine hearts, Eldredge claims, they will liberate their hearts' capacity for feeling. Men everywhere are responding to Eldredge's description of heroism and sacrifice, as well as the masculine desire to protect, defend, and honor.

However, Catholic and Protestant writers alike have found serious flaws in Eldredge's theology concerning the wildness and even the sovereignty of the Author of Life, and especially Eldredge's claim that the Gospel is a "dangerous story." While most would agree with Eldredge that men and women are different, and that those differences should be recognized within churches, they disagree with Eldredge's assertion that theological systems and rule-keeping cripple our notions of God and men. Others are troubled by Eldredge's contention that boys become men only in the company of other men. While the initiation into manhood (or womanhood, for that matter) is best facilitated by members of the same sex, God created men and women to complement and complete each other. Because of this, we most fully reflect God's image through giving and receiving self-donating love, particularly in the sacrament of matrimony.

I recently had the singular opportunity to discuss with Eldredge whether his thinking had evolved since writing Wild at Heart. After describing his own experience with the men's movement that began in the 1980's, he said he used to feel like a voice in the wilderness. Not anymore: he has seen a growing recognition that men are different, and have a need to be heroes.

Eldredge told me he is even more convinced that God wants to father us. And that grown men, not just boys, are in continual need of that fathering and masculine initiation. He emphasized that although our age is cynical, healing is available. "We have to treat the wounds and not just the behavior."

Was he familiar with Pope John Paul II's "Theology of the Body"? He said Catholics frequently come up to him after he speaks to tell him about it. They send him books and CD's explaining the Pope's teaching, such as Christopher West's series Naked Without Shame. "I was greatly encouraged by the Pope's teaching," Eldredge said, adding that he plans to order John Paul's Love and Responsibility. And yet, Eldredge could not articulate how his teaching differed from that of the late Holy Father. "It would probably take a better theological mind than mine to point [the difference] out." I found his humility and modesty enchanting.

When I explained that John Paul's development of personalism takes into account the importance of the subjective experience of the individual, Eldredge got excited. Anything about the heart's experience motivates Eldredge. I told him how John Paul's training as a theologian and philosopher enabled him to discover in the subjectivity of man's inner world a unity with the objectivity of man's outer world.

Fortunately, the secrets of a man's soul (or those of a woman's) are not secret within the teachings of the Catholic Church. The Church has always affirmed the importance of cultivating the soul even while living in the world; men and women alike are called to grow in holiness, to conquer vice, and to cultivate virtue. And we need look no further than the stories of the saints for images of authentic masculine heroism.

They are full of the heart. They are full of the powers of the mind. They are united by an integrated understanding of the nuptial meaning of the body and the spousal relationship of God to the Church, and God to each individual. The writings of John Paul II are particularly compelling to the "wild hearts" of the present day.

I have a feeling John Eldredge will one day seriously study "Theology of the Body" and Love and Responsibility. I would love to see what he writes then.

 

 

The author of five published histories, Virginia Fisher has also worked as a writer at EWTN and as a director of religious education in a parish church. Mostly, she likes working in her kitchen when not working on her novel The Kitchen Madonna. 

A version of this article appeared in Canticle Magazine(www.canticlemagazine.com). Used by permission of the author.

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I have not read Eldredge's book, so can not address its accuracy.

I am very familiar with John Paul II's Theology of the Body and highly recommend it for any group, men or women or a mixed group of younger adults.

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For your information:

Christopher West's Theology of the Body Webiste

Books, tapes, CDs, DVDs, etc.

From book by the same name by Pope John Paul II.

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I read John Eldredge's book several years ago. It was referred to in the chick version by Angela Thomas Do You Think I'm Beautiful?

They were both very good books. I gave Wild at Heart to a man I used to know. Not sure he ever opened it because there were no pictures....

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Thanks, those are good.

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Thanks.

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I was so blessed to have a husband who both kept his manhood, but also dared to dip into the wild side once in awhile. As in all marriages things got difficult at times, especially with five children, but we always seemed to be able to talk through them — somethimes later.

PS.............neither of us were angels. LOL!

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This is a fabulous book about true manhood and chivalry, in general.

Males need a coming-of-age moment when an acknowledged man verbally bestows manhood—this book covers it in detail. Important concept in a day when too many dads are in their boys’ lives at all.

A great companion read is Knight in Shining Armor, I don’t recall the female author’s name.

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I have not read Eldredge's book, so can not address its accuracy.

I have read Wild at Heart and his other books. They are extremely powerful, especially Waking the Dead. They are not Chicken Soup for the Soul books.

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Others are troubled by Eldredge's contention that boys become men only in the company of other men. While the initiation into manhood (or womanhood, for that matter) is best facilitated by members of the same sex, God created men and women to complement and complete each other. Because of this, we most fully reflect God's image through giving and receiving self-donating love, particularly in the sacrament of matrimony.

This seems an almost pro forma mischaracterization of Eldredge and a trite recititation of a standard line. Eldredge doesn't disagree with the sacrament of matrimony.

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However, Catholic and Protestant writers alike have found serious flaws in Eldredge's theology concerning the wildness and even the sovereignty of the Author of Life, and especially Eldredge's claim that the Gospel is a "dangerous story."

Hmmm, let's see, Jesus said he came not to bring peace but a sword. He said the gospel would divide families. He said that his followers would be persecuted and slain. Paul says that Christians living a Christian life would be attacked by Satan. It doesn't sound like like "sunshine, lollipops, and rainbows everywhere".

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I have not read Eldredge's book, so can not address its accuracy.

Wild at Heart is a good book, but it is not good theology. You might want to check out some of these critiques.

A Critical Review of the Book, Wild at Heart, by John Eldredge

God in Man's Image - A critique of John Eldredge's Wild At Heart

Braveheart vs. Mister Rogers: John Eldredge’s Walk on the Wild Side

Wild at Heart: A Critique - By David Rea and Carlton Wynne

Are Men Really Wild at Heart?

There is a growing trend among Christian authors (particularly Protestant ones) where they feel the need that everything they write must be biblically based and supported by scripture even when it may not be. So often they find vague scriptures or pull verses out of context to associate their ideas with the Bible. By doing so they can inadvertently introduce heresies.

I do not understand why Christian authors feel this need to have every idea backed by scripture. A good idea is a good idea, even if the Bible never addresses the subject.

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**Important concept in a day when too many dads are in their boys’ lives at all.**

I agree; I get very tired of all the man-bashing and father-bashing.

May God continue to bless all men and all fathers and call them to holy roles in life.

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Thanks for your testimony.

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**Wild at Heart is a good book, but it is not good theology. **

Thanks for your little tidbit.