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Certain topics have touched on the idea of heresies being reintroduced and practiced. This article does a nice job of listing and explaining some of them, and which religion follows them today. This is not intended as an attack on, for instance, the LDS. It is intended to show that the Church, formerly reasonably successful at ridding itself of heresies, is not as able in more modern times. I attribute this to the fragmentation of the Christians away from the Church.

I have seen a number of, usually more liberal, Christians, for instance, wander over to Origen or Pelagius or Nestor, often citing their own personal interpretation of Scripture as justification.

1 posted on 07/24/2007 2:24:58 PM PDT by MarkBsnr
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A LOT of so-called Christians really just like the Christian label and not the actual dogmas of Christianity. They believe whatever they fell is Christian and if you point out that their belief is actually heresy; a.) they did not know and b.) once they know they still won’t care.


2 posted on 07/24/2007 2:30:33 PM PDT by TradicalRC (Let's make immigration Safe, Legal and Rare.)
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Gnosticism is also present in many of the liberal mainline denominations.

Thanks for the post.


3 posted on 07/24/2007 2:59:41 PM PDT by PAR35
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Good post. I think many of the early church patriarchs (Augustine, Polycarp, etc.) would not recognize many of the practices of todays churches including Roman Catholocism. As a side note, there is an interesting article entitled “What is Wordliness” posted by Banner of Truth which explains Paul’s battle with certain gnostics who attempted impose man’s standards of holiness (do not touch, do not taste-Colossions 2) on the first century church. That same tendancy is still alive among certain sects today.


4 posted on 07/24/2007 3:04:09 PM PDT by Augustinian monk
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Few groups currently adopt all of Origen’s teachings. Nonetheless, groups influenced by Joseph Smith believe in both the preexistence of souls and the essential subordination of the Son to the Father, and many other groups believe in both the preexistence of souls (usually in the form of reincarnation) and universalism.

As a Mormon, I more or less agree with this point.

Arianism — 4th Century Perhaps the most significant heresy faced by the Church, Arianism (named after Arius) taught that, as the Son of God, Christ was created by God the Father. Arius thus denied the Trinity by teaching that Jesus is less than fully divine.

I doubt many Mormons would agree that Jesus is less than fully divine.

Pelagianism — 5th Century Pelagius, a Welsh monk, taught that humanity does not inherit original sin, and that salvation is earned by following the example of Christ. Grace is not necessary; instead, humans overcome the sin they gradually develop by using God’s grace to assist them in perfecting themselves and thus earning salvation.

Mormonism teaches that Jesus Christ atoned for original sin; therefore, original sin is not inherited. That part I can agree with.

However, I would not say that salvation is "earned." It is true that we must follow the example of Jesus Christ; but it is only though God's grace that we may be perfected and receive the gift of eternal life. (Some have said that Mormons are "semi-Pelagians.")

I would give this post 1.75 out of 3 for its discussion of Mormonism. Not bad, considering how often Mormonism is mischaracterized on these threads.

5 posted on 07/24/2007 3:11:20 PM PDT by Logophile
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We had a deacon in our parish in Oklahoma who was a Church History instructor. He like to say, “You can’t keep a good heresy down!”

There have been almost 2,000 years of Christianity, so every misunderstanding has already been around by now.


7 posted on 07/24/2007 3:27:26 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("Go ahead and water the lawn - my give-a-damn's busted.")
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Thanks for the post Mark.

**Modern Groups: Seventh-Day Adventists; followers of Herbert W. Armstrong. **

Glad to know this one.


13 posted on 07/24/2007 4:20:20 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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bump


17 posted on 07/24/2007 4:25:29 PM PDT by VOA
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some other FR threads that touch on heresies:

Heresies then and now: ancient Christian heresies practiced in modern times

Know Your Heresies

The Rev. John Piper: an interesting look at "heresy vs. schism"

Pietism as an Ecclesiological Heresy

Heresy

Arian Heresy Still Tempts, Says Cardinal Bertone (Mentions Pelagianism As Well)

Catholic Discussion] Church group stays faithful (to heresy!)

Where heresy and dissent abound [Minnesota]

Gnostic Gospels - the heresy entitled "Gnosticism."

The So-Called ‘Gospel’ of Judas: Unmasking an Ancient Heresy

18 posted on 07/24/2007 4:29:07 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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I know it is not a heresy - but Arminianism is rampant in the church. I believe this is an aberration, is really bad theology. Charismatics, Methodists, Salvation Army, Nazarenes, for instance, hold that it is possible to lose “eternal life” through one’s own actions. The big question: what is the definition of “eternal?”


19 posted on 07/24/2007 4:34:32 PM PDT by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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Grace is not necessary; instead, humans overcome the sin they gradually develop by using God’s grace to assist them in perfecting themselves and thus earning salvation.

Basic logic tells me that this makes no sense. Which is it?

20 posted on 07/24/2007 6:33:42 PM PDT by TradicalRC (Let's make immigration Safe, Legal and Rare.)
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What do you call the heresy that claims that since Jesus was supposed to be sinless and perfect, he could not have been born of the human race and, therefore, was a specially created human embryo implanted in Mary’s uterus but not genetically of human lineage from Adam and Eve?


21 posted on 07/24/2007 6:39:03 PM PDT by aruanan
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It looks like the author forgot to mention the damnable heresy of Calvinism. Must have been a oversight on his part
22 posted on 07/24/2007 6:52:46 PM PDT by bremenboy (Just Because I Am Born Again Doesn't Mean I was Born Again Yesterday)
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Judaizers — 1st Century Judaizers, or the Judaizing movements, is not a condemnation of Judaism or ethnic Jews. Instead, it has historically been the label for those who attempt to make observing the Mosaic Law a requirement for Christianity and salvation. The book of Acts refers to such people as “they of the circumcision” (Acts 10:45; 11:2), and the council at Jerusalem decisively ruled against them (Acts 15:23–29).
Despite this biblical ruling, Judaizing movements continue to grow in our time. These movements require such things as strict observance of the Sabbath on Saturday, mandatory tithing, observance of the Jewish feasts, and other regulations in order for a Christian to earn salvation.
Scriptural Refutation: Romans 3:24–28.

This is accurate as far as it goes...which isn't very far. Most sabbatarians and those who observe God's other biblical holy days do not observe them to "be saved". Rather, we observe them BECAUSE we are saved and wish to honor and serve the Lord by living in obedience to Him.

The article makes it sound horrible to follow the bible instead of Christian tradition. Christian tradition is the author of Sunday observance and the observance of holidays such as Easter and Christmas. God specifically tells his followers which days he created holy, the 7th day sabbath being but one.

Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

23 posted on 07/24/2007 7:07:23 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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These movements require such things as strict observance of the Sabbath on Saturday, mandatory tithing, observance of the Jewish feasts, and other regulations in order for a Christian to earn salvation.

These are heresies? LOL.

Of course they're not necessary for salvation, but they are obedience to God's word, which does bring its own blessings.

Especially regarding the Sabbath... if that Commandment can so easily be tossed why should one follow the other nine?

24 posted on 07/24/2007 7:39:13 PM PDT by AnnaZ (I keep 2 magnums in my desk.One's a gun and I keep it loaded.Other's a bottle and it keeps me loaded)
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bump for a later read


49 posted on 07/25/2007 3:37:35 PM PDT by Patriotic1 (Dic mihi solum facta, domina - Just the facts, ma'am)
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I received a question by someone and so I am bumping this thread and posting the other heresy links.

Americanism, Then and Now: Our Pet Heresy (encyclical of Pope Leo XIII)

Heresies then and now: ancient Christian heresies practiced in modern times

The Plain Truth About The Baptist Bride Heresy

Balthasar, Hell, and Heresy: An Exchange (is it compatable with the Catholic faith?)

Heresies then and now: ancient Christian heresies practiced in modern times

Know Your Heresies

The Rev. John Piper: an interesting look at "heresy vs. schism"

Pietism as an Ecclesiological Heresy

Heresy

Arian Heresy Still Tempts, Says Cardinal Bertone (Mentions Pelagianism As Well)

Catholic Discussion] Church group stays faithful (to heresy!)

An overview of modern anti-Trinitarian heresies

Christian mavericks find affirmation in ancient heresies

Where heresy and dissent abound [Minnesota]

Gnostic Gospels - the heresy entitled "Gnosticism."

The So-Called ‘Gospel’ of Judas: Unmasking an Ancient Heresy

Benedict XVI Heresies and Errors

Donatism (Know your heresies)

The Heresy of Mohammed (Chapter 4, The Great Heresies)

Father & Son Catholic Writers Tag-Team Old & New Heresies

Heresies Of The Word-Faith Movement [Read Only]

67 posted on 12/22/2007 12:15:45 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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