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To: MarkBsnr
Few groups currently adopt all of Origen’s teachings. Nonetheless, groups influenced by Joseph Smith believe in both the preexistence of souls and the essential subordination of the Son to the Father, and many other groups believe in both the preexistence of souls (usually in the form of reincarnation) and universalism.

As a Mormon, I more or less agree with this point.

Arianism — 4th Century Perhaps the most significant heresy faced by the Church, Arianism (named after Arius) taught that, as the Son of God, Christ was created by God the Father. Arius thus denied the Trinity by teaching that Jesus is less than fully divine.

I doubt many Mormons would agree that Jesus is less than fully divine.

Pelagianism — 5th Century Pelagius, a Welsh monk, taught that humanity does not inherit original sin, and that salvation is earned by following the example of Christ. Grace is not necessary; instead, humans overcome the sin they gradually develop by using God’s grace to assist them in perfecting themselves and thus earning salvation.

Mormonism teaches that Jesus Christ atoned for original sin; therefore, original sin is not inherited. That part I can agree with.

However, I would not say that salvation is "earned." It is true that we must follow the example of Jesus Christ; but it is only though God's grace that we may be perfected and receive the gift of eternal life. (Some have said that Mormons are "semi-Pelagians.")

I would give this post 1.75 out of 3 for its discussion of Mormonism. Not bad, considering how often Mormonism is mischaracterized on these threads.

5 posted on 07/24/2007 3:11:20 PM PDT by Logophile
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To: Logophile

Very good; I wanted information to be delivered, not attacks.

With regard to the point about Jesus’ divinity, would it be more accurate to represent LDS doctrine as: Jesus was a creation of God; Jesus is the Jehovah of the OT, the man/God of the new and is now fully divine?


6 posted on 07/24/2007 3:24:29 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (V. Angelus Domini nuntiavit Mariae. R. Et concepit de Spiritu Sancto.)
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To: Logophile; MarkBsnr

You’re always so reasonable, Logophile! Of course, Catholics believe Mormons are in error, and Mormons believe Catholics are in error, or we’d all believe one or the other. That doesn’t mean we can’t discuss our different beliefs in a pleasant and informative way.


8 posted on 07/24/2007 3:29:59 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("Go ahead and water the lawn - my give-a-damn's busted.")
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To: Logophile
From article: Few groups currently adopt all of Origen’s teachings. Nonetheless, groups influenced by Joseph Smith believe in both the preexistence of souls and the essential subordination of the Son to the Father, and many other groups believe in both the preexistence of souls (usually in the form of reincarnation) and universalism.

Logophile: As a Mormon, I more or less agree with this point.

What is the Mormon definition of subordination of the Son to the Father? Do Mormons believe in reincarnation?

Logophile: Mormonism teaches that Jesus Christ atoned for original sin; therefore, original sin is not inherited. That part I can agree with.

Eastern Orthodox Christianity teaches that original sin is not inherited, but for a different reason than the one you give.

9 posted on 07/24/2007 3:30:21 PM PDT by stripes1776
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