Posted on 07/23/2007 3:36:15 PM PDT by annalex
Some popes behavior; some priests behavlior; disobedient catholics, especially left wing ones — are frequent tactics.
If one wants to get somewhere with a substantive argument, one must challenge the Protestantism’s chief suoperstitions, of Sola Fide and Sola Scriptura. That is, after all, a purely scriptural argument that puts Protestantism on the defensive.
LOL! So do I!
Lord have mercy on me. Mother Mary, pray for me, a sinner, now and at the hour of my death.
Nice post. I find the anti Catholic sentiment here at FR the most distasteful along with theories of the Neo Confederates and the anti-police crowd. Fortunately the latter two are relatively few in posters. The first seems pretty widespread.
Although I'm not through using the term "Protestant" when it's applicable, and, despite the protestations (no pun intended) to the contrary by some on this forum, it IS applicable to the Baptists.
The "Trail of Blood" is a "Trail of Baloney".
I don’t see the point of obsessing on people who don’t like your faith.
The author suffers from the same thing she says the anti-Catholics suffer from. Just the reverse.
I don’t have a problem with people explaining their beliefs and advocating for their theological traditions no matter how defective. Unfortunately, too much in Protestantism rides on denial of Catholic truths, so it is defined in terms of being anti-Catholic. Junk conversations about obscure popes is one thing, but quite often a substantive conversation about, say, the theology of faith and works, ends up to be about branding every Catholic practice ‘works’, then denying it on that basis.
The victim mentality is a useless thing. Catholicism should be on the offensive; we did, after all, receive the commission to teach every nation. Victims can’t teach.
>>I don’t see the point of obsessing on people who don’t like your faith.<<
Like someone who starts threads about all the bad things in another’s faith? The problem with your post is that it’s not obsession.
ob·ses·sion
n.
1. Compulsive preoccupation with a fixed idea or an unwanted feeling or emotion, often accompanied by symptoms of anxiety.
2. A compulsive, often unreasonable idea or emotion.
When one is constantly told that one is wrong, talking about that is not obsession. This author just states facts.
>>The author suffers from the same thing she says the anti-Catholics suffer from. Just the reverse.<<
LOL!
As we should. When other communities may have theories, we have a story.
The source of unity should be the Blessed Mother, as she has the mystical connection to the Church Militant. Unfortunately, blasphemous deconstruction of Our Lady is the primary Protestant pastime.
On this, I am sure the author would agree. I certainly agree. Like I just posted to someone else, we don't have an argument with anyone advocating his own belief system.
Yes, Marianism is the biggest problem with Catholic Doctrine as it shines a light on the method by which Catholic doctrine is derived. Specifically, it shows how little need there is for the bible in generating said doctrine.
Despite the author's attacks on liberalism, he sounds like a coastal elite leftist when he attacks the Bible Belt and Fundamentalists (not to mention the whining about the persecution of his "indigenous" ancestors by big bad Anglo-Saxons; that gets old too).
Let the Catholic Church stop teaching that the Bible is mythology and a great deal of my own hostility will end.
Catholics have been hit over the head with the Bible by Protestants for so long that they've come to distrust it. Now they've convinced themselves that total inerrancy is merely an adjunct of "sola scriptura" so now they're against it.
And Keating is an evolutionist.
After I posted I had a moment to think and then the first reply I saw was this post by Mark: “When the foundations of one’s beliefs are sloppily built sand, it’s easier to attack than to defend.”
I would agree and define anti-Catholic behavior as that which attacks rather than defends. Except for their belief in Christ and their own interpretation of Scripture, I don’t know the theology that most of them believe. Any debating point is countered with another attack while rarely answering a point.
If they honestly believe that their religion is THE religion, as we do, then defend it! Give someone a reason to believe as you believe. They say that we Catholics don’t evangelize but if that is what they think they are doing to Catholics on so many of the threads it is just the opposite.
>>Like, “Why do you worship Mary?” and “Why do you believe the Pope above Christ?”. A lot are equivalent to the “Have you stopped beating your wife?” line of questioning.<<
Exactly.
I had a poster (that actually I admire greatly) go at the dogma questions on a thread that was (again) misquoting the Pope.
I just stated simply, that I was not debating dogma, I was correcting the misquote by the AP.
I’m not getting into the dogma debate with anyone. If they ask me a “Why do you believe...?” question, that is personal. It happens many times on Catholic threads. That’s why the Catholic Caucus title was put on.
When we have a thread about plexiglass on confessionals and a poster on the third post wants to slam confession, it seems real personal.
I'm in them all the time. :)
And I've never seen decency drain out of a conversation so fast as when the term "anti-Catholic" gets thrown around in the same tone as "bigot" or "racist." In what way can someone who has strong theological objections to "Romanism" but is not a bigot defend themselves against that charge?
I'm not sure what you're saying in the second statement about making it personal...could you elaborate?
To the contrary, it shows how unwilling Protestants are to draw the obvious conclusions required by Scripture.
Proof: the rejection of Mary's intercession is always couched in the language of "you can't ask dead people to pray for you," thus rejecting the words of Jesus when he said, "I am the way, the truth, and the life: no one who believes in me will ever die."
Non-Catholic would be a good descriptive. We should only use anti-Catholic to decribe an action by the person and not the person themself.
Necromancy is still necromancy and spiritism is still spiritism. No one is the bible ever prays to Mary or to any other dead person except when they are pagans. Never in the bible when we are being shown how to pray are we ever told to pray to the dead, we are always told to pray to the God directly.
You realize you just demonstrated Campion’s assertion.
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