[DungeonMaster]

Proof: the rejection of Mary's intercession is always couched in the language of "you can't ask dead people to pray for you," thus rejecting the words of Jesus when he said, "I am the way, the truth, and the life: no one who believes in me will ever die."

Necromancy is still necromancy and spiritism is still spiritism. No one is the bible ever prays to Mary or to any other dead person except when they are pagans. Never in the bible when we are being shown how to pray are we ever told to pray to the dead, we are always told to pray to the God directly.

[Mad Dawg]

You realize you just demonstrated Campion’s assertion.

[nanetteclaret]

Jesus was with Moses and Elijah at the Transfiguration. Matthew 17:1-8

Were they living or dead?

[Campion]

Never in the bible when we are being shown how to pray are we ever told to pray to the dead, we are always told to pray to the God directly.

MadDawg is right, this is a perfect illustration of my point.

Never in the bible when we are being shown how to pray are we ever told to pray to the dead

Of course, you are told, with absolute, crystal clarity, that those who die in Christ aren't dead, but have everlasting life. What fellowship hath everlasting life with death, DM?

If you really believed the Bible when it says that, you'd believe it enough to draw the logical conclusions that it requires.

My conclusion is that you don't really believe in heaven. It's a fairytale promise as far as you're concerned, not a reality that's so real, that it's more real than the world you live in. If you really believed in heaven, you'd be on speaking terms with its citizens.