Il Giornale: all sacraments, not just Mass (Motu Proprio)

What Does the Prayer Really Say? ^ | 29 June 2007 | Fr. John Zuhlsdorf

[monkapotamus]

Il Giornale: all sacraments, not just Mass

CATEGORY: SESSIUNCULUM — Fr. John Zuhlsdorf @ 4:35 pm

The solid Andrea Tornielli has a meaty piece in Il Giornale about the Motu Proprio.

Highlights:

1) The MP will be released probably on 7 July.
2) There will probably be no press conference to present the document.
3) The Pope offers a letter with the document to explain his decison.
4) The older rite was not abolished.
5) It had been decided by a group of cardinals in 1982 that there should be more use of the 1962 Missale.
6) The prayer about the "perfidis judeais" was already gone from that edition.
7) When "stable groups" ("guppi stabili") want the older Mass they can go to the parish priest (pastor).
8) It will be the bishops role to help iron out problems, resolve difficulties.
9) The old calendar and readings for Mass are preserved.
10) People can have not only Mass but all the sacraments in the old rite.
11) We don’t speak any longer of two rites, of Paul VI and of "Tridentine", but of one rite of the Latin church in two forms, ordinary and extraordinary.
12) The Pope explains in his letter that this is not a return to the past.
13) What happened after the Council was not supposed to be a break with the past.
14) Mass must be celebrated well in either form.
15) Card. Castrillon Hoyos explained the text.
16) The Pope came and they discused things for an hour.
17) In the last few months very few and very small changes were made to the text, as was explained on Wednesday.
18) In the last few weeks Cardinal Lehmanand Cardinal Murphy-O’Connor brought up the point abut Jews being upset.
19) The French had expressed worry abou tht e "unity" of the Church, something they did not seem to wory about in the face of liturgical abuses in the Novus Ordo.
20) The Letter to the Chinese will be 28 pages.
21) The Pope declares the full validity of the sacraments celebrated by both the official and clandestine Churches.

Great article! Tornielli gets a thumbs up.

n. 152 del 2007-06-29 pagina 17
Il Papa ai vescovi: via libera alla messa antica di Andrea Tornielli Per celebrare non servirà più il placet delle curie

da Roma

Benedetto XVI due giorni fa ha convocato a Roma i leader delle conferenze episcopali dei Paesi dove è più consistente la presenza dei tradizionalisti per presentare il Motu proprio che liberalizzerà la Messa preconciliare in latino e sarà pubblicato con tutta probabilità sabato 7 luglio, senza conferenza stampa di presentazione.
Il documento papale è accompagnato da una lunga lettera nella quale Papa Ratzinger spiega ai vescovi le ragioni della sua decisione. Il testo dichiara che l’antico rito romano non è mai stato abolito, come stabilì un gruppo di cardinali dell’ex Sant’Uffizio già nel 1982, e che dunque è possibile utilizzare il libro liturgico promulgato da Giovanni XXIII nel 1962, l’ultima versione dell’antica messa, già purgata della preghiera del Venerdì santo nella quale gli ebrei erano definiti «perfidis judaeis». Fino a oggi, secondo l’indulto già concesso nel 1984 da Papa Wojtyla, per ottenere questa celebrazione, i tradizionalisti dovevano chiedere un’autorizzazione al vescovo diocesano, il quale poteva concederla o meno. Dall’entrata in vigore del Motu proprio di Benedetto XVI non sarà più così: i fedeli – un «gruppo stabile» recita il testo – si rivolgeranno direttamente al parroco. Il vescovo dovrà eventualmente dirimere i problemi, stabilire come superare le difficoltà: il suo ruolo, come ha precisato il cardinale Segretario di Stato Tarcisio Bertone, rimarrà «centrale nelle disposizioni dell’ordine dele celebrazioni». Ma sia il vescovo che il parroco si muoveranno nell’ambito della nuova legge.
I tradizionalisti conserveranno il vecchio calendario e l’antica scelta di letture bibliche. Oltre alla Messa domenicale si potranno celebrare anche tutti i sacramenti con il vecchio rito. Non si parlerà più di due riti diversi, quello tridentino e il nuovo approvato da Paolo VI, ma di un unico rito della Chiesa latina in due forme: quella ordinaria, vale a dire la nuova Messa; quella straordinaria, rappresentata dalla Messa secondo l’antica tradizione.
Nella lettera di accompagnamento il Papa spiegherà ai vescovi che con questa decisione non si fa un salto nel passato. La stessa riforma liturgica voluta dal Concilio non era infatti da intendersi come una frattura. E Benedetto XVI spiegherà l’importanza che la liturgia sia ben celebrata sia nell’una che nell’altra forma. Alla riunione hanno partecipato tra gli altri gli italiani Ruini e Bagnasco, i francesi Ricard e Barbarin, il tedesco Lehmann, l’inglese Murphy O’Connor, l’americano O’Malley, l’australiano Pell, lo svizzero Koch, l’indiano Toppo. Sono intervenuti i cardinali Bertone, per spiegare il senso dell’iniziativa, e Castrillón, presidente di «Ecclesia Dei», che ha illustrato il testo. Quindi il Papa si è unito ai presenti e ha discusso con loro per un’ora. Pochissime e poco rilevanti le modifiche apportate in questi mesi al testo, qualche precisazione è stata avanzata anche mercoledì pomeriggio. Nelle ultime settimane alcune resistenze erano arrivate in particolare dal cardinale Lehmann, che aveva parlato di un disagio delle comunità ebraiche, poi rientrato, dato che il messale autorizzato non conterrà l’abolita frase sui «perfidis judaeis», e dal cardinale inglese Murphy O’Connor. Mentre i vescovi francesi avevano in precedenza manifestato timori per «l’unità» liturgica della Chiesa: preoccupazione reale ma quasi mai evocata nel caso di abusi o frequenti stravaganze nelle celebrazioni col nuovo rito.
È infine ormai imminente la pubblicazione della lettera del Papa ai cattolici cinesi. Nelle 28 pagine di documento il Pontefice fornisce indicazioni per superare le divisioni tra le comunità clandestine e quelle ufficiali, dichiarando la piena validità dei sacramenti celebrati da entrambe.

[NYer]

For those following the Motu Proprio.

[maryz]

Thanks, Frank! I think . . . what an arrogant pr*ck he is! (Not a word I customarily use -- if ever before! But somehow it fits!)

Cheverus, you might be interested in FS's posts #6 and #22.

[Teófilo]

Well, to be fair to Cardinal O'Malley, at least he allows the Tridentine Latin Mass to be celebrated in at least seven locations throughout the LA Archdiocese. Other bishops don't even bother with it.

Me personally? I care more for the "reform of the reform," not the all-out restoration of what was before.

Not that my opinion matters in the big scheme of things.

-Theo

[Teófilo]

Aargh! I was thinking of the Archbishop of LA, not of Boston! Strike the above!

I must promise to myself not to post anything until I am completely awake...

-Theo

[nickcarraway]

How come there was never a Mass that coincided with the liturgy outlined in Vatican II?

[m4629]

This issue of the Latin Mass is not urgent for our country, however I think they wanted us to be part of the conversation so that we would be able to understand what the situation is in countries where the numbers are very significant. For example, in Brazil there is an entire diocese of 30,000 people that has already been reconciled to the Church.

Not Urgent? Dear cardinal O'Malley, I beg to differ.

By and large, where there is TLM, there are long lines of confession, reverent liturgical celebration, traditional devotions but most of all, deep sense of Apostalic Faith. There is no crisis on the issue of believing in the Real Presence. There is no artificial shortage of priest from traditional quarters. TLM parishes are growing and expanding, not shrinking or clustering with others. Therefore, I would submit this is utmost urgent, before Rome makes your diocese clustering with others ... !!!

[Salvation]

BTTT on this Sunday morning ad many go off to the Novus Ordo Mass.

Copy this off and take it to your priest. Please note #14 in the list by the Pope!

[Salvation]

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[Mad Dawg]

("guppi stabili")

Guppies can go to Mass?

[M Kehoe]

Like I was telling NYer a few months ago, the First lady and I need to practice our Latin. We haven't done that in years.

5.56mm

[Salvation]

Just want to repeat this. Red highlighting mine. If you are in a Novus Ordo Church you can take this to the priest and ask that the Novus Ordo be celebrated well with the right words and good music!

1) The MP will be released probably on 7 July.
2) There will probably be no press conference to present the document.
3) The Pope offers a letter with the document to explain his decison.
4) The older rite was not abolished.
5) It had been decided by a group of cardinals in 1982 that there should be more use of the 1962 Missale.
6) The prayer about the "perfidis judeais" was already gone from that edition.
7) When "stable groups" ("guppi stabili") want the older Mass they can go to the parish priest (pastor).
8) It will be the bishops role to help iron out problems, resolve difficulties.
9) The old calendar and readings for Mass are preserved.
10) People can have not only Mass but all the sacraments in the old rite.
11) We don’t speak any longer of two rites, of Paul VI and of "Tridentine", but of one rite of the Latin church in two forms, ordinary and extraordinary.
12) The Pope explains in his letter that this is not a return to the past.
13) What happened after the Council was not supposed to be a break with the past.
14) Mass must be celebrated well in either form.
15) Card. Castrillon Hoyos explained the text.
16) The Pope came and they discused things for an hour.
17) In the last few months very few and very small changes were made to the text, as was explained on Wednesday.
18) In the last few weeks Cardinal Lehmanand Cardinal Murphy-O’Connor brought up the point abut Jews being upset.
19) The French had expressed worry abou tht e "unity" of the Church, something they did not seem to wory about in the face of liturgical abuses in the Novus Ordo.
20) The Letter to the Chinese will be 28 pages.
21) The Pope declares the full validity of the sacraments celebrated by both the official and clandestine Churches.

[steve86]

I will never recognize “Paul VI” or “Ordinary”, however you want to say it, although the sacraments within are probably valid (but offensively conducted).

[Kolokotronis]

“Guppies can go to Mass?”

Left that out of the RCIA class, did they? Gee, MD, even this Orthodoxer knew guppies go to Mass...and they are welcome at the Divine Liturgy too! :)

[Mad Dawg]

Well, I see it says guppi stabili. So I conclude that we don't want none of them flighty, emotional and unstable guppies. The well-balanced and hesychastic guppies, though, they're okay.

Mysterious are the ways of Divine providence.

Still that the humble guppies may take their seat among the blessed while them flashy, trashy, arriviste gold fish are cast into the outer darkness, who can argue with the aptness of His plan!

[Salvation]

LOL! Even with the words that I barely understand from context clues! (Chuckle as I get out the dictionary!)

[FourtySeven]

Curious. Was Confession really that different?

(other than the face to face confession)

[Kolokotronis]

It is because of the special place that guppis hold in the Created Order that Orthodox Christians abstain from eating any of the finny tribe during fast periods...a little known fact seldom shared with Westerners! :)