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The New Testament: In Medio Ecclesiae
Catholic Faith ^ | Jan 2001 | Thomas Storck

Posted on 06/07/2007 4:07:42 AM PDT by markomalley

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To: Uncle Chip
Also can you show us there in the Book of Acts where Peter was ever in Rome

You already know the answer to that.

And, if common sense prevails, you also know that the Acts were written by Luke, a gentile convert who accompanied Paul after Paul's visit to Troas. So there would likely be no need for its inclusion. The Book of Acts also does not include the acts of Andrew, Thomas, or most of the other apostles.

Oh, and by the way, it's not my Magesterium, it's the Church's Magesterium. As a Christian, it's my obligation to accept that Magesterium, but whether or not I do so, it is still there and still valid.

21 posted on 06/07/2007 5:42:38 AM PDT by markomalley (Extra ecclesiam nulla salus CINO-RINO GRAZIE NO)
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To: Biggirl
My plea for all the Christian posters here at FR is to please end the flaming because it does not contribute to contructive and fruitful talk. Thank-you.

I agree wholeheartedly and that was the reason for posting the article: to try to encourage my fellow Christians of the Latin Rite to study their scriptures so that they could follow them more and not allow schismatics to enrage them needlessly. It only encourages the schismatics and does not serve God.

22 posted on 06/07/2007 5:44:55 AM PDT by markomalley (Extra ecclesiam nulla salus CINO-RINO GRAZIE NO)
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To: Biggirl
But also God worked with the human writers to put the Bible together as we know it.

And God used an ass to communicate his message to Balaam.

Does the ass get credit for the work of God?

23 posted on 06/07/2007 5:48:00 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: Uncle Chip

Uncle Chip,

Can you show me where exactly it is part of the magisterium that Peter was the “first bishop of Rome”? I’m just curious.

Also, according to Catholic Answers (since I don’t have the books with me at work):

“William A. Jurgens, in his three-volume set The Faith of the Early Fathers, a masterly compendium that cites at length everything from the Didache to John Damascene, includes thirty references to this question, divided, in the index, about evenly between the statements that “Peter came to Rome and died there” and that “Peter established his See at Rome and made the bishop of Rome his successor in the primacy.” A few examples must suffice, but they and other early references demonstrate that there can be no question that the universal—and very early—position (one hesitates to use the word “tradition,” since some people read that as “legend”) was that Peter certainly did end up in the capital of the Empire.”


24 posted on 06/07/2007 5:54:10 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: P-Marlowe
But there are some, like the author of this article, that think that the Roman Catholic Church is God.

You know that isn't true.

-A8

25 posted on 06/07/2007 6:13:38 AM PDT by adiaireton8 ("There is no greater evil one can suffer than to hate reasonable discourse." - Plato, Phaedo 89d)
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To: adiaireton8

No, I don’t.


26 posted on 06/07/2007 6:15:39 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: P-Marlowe

You should then.


27 posted on 06/07/2007 6:28:09 AM PDT by Running On Empty (1)
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To: vladimir998; markomalley
You can complain all you want, but Ignatius’ letter to the Smyrneans is genuine.

Not the capital "c"'s in Catholic and Church --- but you know that, right??? The "Catholic Church" was an invertion of Constantine in the 4th century. Those are the historical facts at odds with your hysterical myths.

28 posted on 06/07/2007 6:41:48 AM PDT by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: Biggirl
My plea for all the Christian posters here at FR is to please end the flaming because it does not contribute to contructive and fruitful talk.

Define flaming, because from my perspective disagreement with Catholic doctrine or practice gets labeled as "Catholic bashing".

29 posted on 06/07/2007 6:42:34 AM PDT by GoLightly
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To: GCC Catholic
What is your qualification for being “non-spurious?”

Check your dictionary. For examples of their useage, check the article or RCC propaganda for voluminous useage of such.

30 posted on 06/07/2007 6:44:17 AM PDT by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: Uncle Chip
Also can you show us there in the Book of Acts where Peter was ever in Rome, or is all that mythology about him being the first bishop of Rome been withdrawn yet by your magisterium??

1 Peter 5:13:

The church that is at Babylon, elected together with you, saluteth you; and so doth Marcus my son.

Babylon is where, according to Revelations 17-18?

31 posted on 06/07/2007 6:46:22 AM PDT by Claud
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To: P-Marlowe
When Saul was knocked off his horse and saw Jesus he was on his way to kill Christians. Jesus said to him,"why do you persecute ME?"

Not My Church, or My people, but ME.

Jesus equates Himself with His Church which is founded on Apostolic Succession

32 posted on 06/07/2007 6:46:48 AM PDT by RichardMoore (gohunter08.com)
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To: markomalley; OLD REGGIE
You can come up with all of the conspiracy theories you choose... The Greek text reads: Ὅπου ἂν φανῇ ὁ ἐπίσκοπος, ἐκεῖ τὸ πλῆθος ἔστω· ὥσπερ ὅπου ἂν ᾖ Χριστὸς Ἰησοῦς ἐκεῖ ἡ καθολικὴ ἐκκλησία. Read it for yourself.

Is that the original text or an altered copy made by a dishonest copyist of later centuries that even the magisterium of your own church now admits happened to a lot of Ignatius' writings???

33 posted on 06/07/2007 6:49:28 AM PDT by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: Uncle Chip
The "Catholic Church" was an invertion of Constantine in the 4th century.

LOL..oy vey... this canard again. Uncle Chip, I dunno where you got this "fact", but it is pure and simple BS, and it harms rather than helps your case.

Show me one, ONE primary source document from the 4th century that supports this claim. Or 5th century. Or 6th century. Where can I find this reported Eusebius? Sozemen? Take your pick of Late Roman historians, and find me one that says anything like this at all.

This nonsense about Constantine and paganization of the Church is *made up*. It never happened. Ask any serious historian of the period.

34 posted on 06/07/2007 6:54:48 AM PDT by Claud
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To: Uncle Chip
I can read, but I want to know what your qualification of "non-spurious" is.
35 posted on 06/07/2007 6:55:20 AM PDT by GCC Catholic (Pray for your priests and seminarians...)
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To: GoLightly

Bashing Catholics is another way to flame a poster because of the poster being RC.


36 posted on 06/07/2007 6:59:56 AM PDT by Biggirl (A biggirl with a big heart for God's animal creation.)
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To: markomalley
when God the Holy Spirit came upon the early Catholics and endowed them with the power of preaching the Gospel throughout the world

When you say "the early Catholics", should that not be "the early Christians"? To do less would be to upset many others and that would negate your statement of, "to understand the Holy Scriptures so that we can patiently work with those who have had their eyes blinded (cf Jn 12:40) in the hopes that God will reveal His light to them.

Your statement sounds wonderful to a Catholic but how would you react to, We Protestants must patiently work with those Catholics who have been blinded from the truth by their church and pray that God will reveal His truth to them?

Would your eyes be opened to what I was telling you or be flaming red with indignation?

37 posted on 06/07/2007 7:02:31 AM PDT by Ping-Pong
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To: Biggirl
Bashing Catholics is another way to flame a poster because of the poster being RC.

IOW, we must agree with everything your Church puts out or we are flaming y'all.

38 posted on 06/07/2007 7:03:32 AM PDT by GoLightly
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To: Running On Empty

How can I when Catholics often insist that the Church IS God?


39 posted on 06/07/2007 7:05:20 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: Uncle Chip
TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.

By the way, I have always liked your tag line. Contains some good advice for all to follow.

40 posted on 06/07/2007 7:12:32 AM PDT by markomalley (Extra ecclesiam nulla salus CINO-RINO GRAZIE NO)
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