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1 posted on 05/27/2007 7:17:24 PM PDT by Gamecock
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Seems all are not happy in Rome.


2 posted on 05/27/2007 7:20:20 PM PDT by Gamecock (FR Member Gamecock: Declared Anathema By The Council Of Trent)
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To: Gamecock

Meanwhile the Catholic Church is the fastest growing Christian denomination in the world with an average of 250 million new Catholics annually...half of which are converts.


3 posted on 05/27/2007 7:21:51 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper (It looks like one of those days when one nuke is just not enough-- Lt. Col. Mitchell, SG-1)
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Given how many times Catholics here on FR tell us that so-and-so politician, etc isn't a Real Genuine Catholictm, despite said individual claiming to be Catholic and enjoying being in full communion with Rome through their appointed Bishop, it's no wonder the Catholic Church is shrinking. They're eating their own!
4 posted on 05/27/2007 7:23:18 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (FR Member Alex Murphy: Declared Anathema By The Council Of Trent)
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It’s no wonder MANY are turning from Catholicism. It’s not just the Priests and Nuns. The congregations are dwindling as well.
10 posted on 05/27/2007 7:45:17 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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Good to see you're on board with the present Pope on this one. He has spoken on a number of occasions, both as Benedict XVI and as Josef Cardinal Ratzinger on his belief that the Church will become a smaller yet more fervent group of believers in the years to come. This will in turn lead to a renewed vigor and greater evangelization.

No need to spend all Sunday afternoon diving around in that dumpster for articles like this. There are more recent examples than 2003. THIS, for instance.

17 posted on 05/27/2007 8:38:40 PM PDT by marshmallow
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Good to see you're on board with the present Pope on this one. He has spoken on a number of occasions, both as Benedict XVI and as Josef Cardinal Ratzinger on his belief that the Church will become a smaller yet more fervent group of believers in the years to come. This will in turn lead to a renewed vigor and greater evangelization.

No need to spend all Sunday afternoon diving around in that dumpster for articles like this. There are more recent examples than 2003. THIS, for instance.

19 posted on 05/27/2007 8:41:22 PM PDT by marshmallow
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It is very simple. Where the Faith is practiced earnestly and in its fullest, be that in a diocese, a religious order, a seminary, a parish, or a home, we see the benefits of it. We see solid (and often large) Catholic families, zealous converts, and vocations to the priesthood and religious life. On the other hand, wherever the pastors and teachers have sold themselves out to a different Gospel, we see many lukewarm (cultural, CINO, etc) Catholics who will either leave to be fed elsewhere (be that in an orthodox parish or outside the Church), who will flaunt their unwillingness to follow the Chuch's teachings, or who simply show up each week not knowing or caring about their Faith or their relationship with Christ.

The examples of the former are numerous, and plenty are well known. Examples of the latter are unfortunately too numerous to count, hence Mr. Jones's findings. I pray that the tide is turning (and ever so slowly, it seems to be).

23 posted on 05/27/2007 9:16:33 PM PDT by GCC Catholic (Pray for your priests and seminarians...)
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Catholic Priests in Latin America need to lay off the Marx based liberation theology and just preach Christ and maybe things would be different.


25 posted on 05/27/2007 10:48:04 PM PDT by therut
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Could you please explain why you are posting an article from May, 2003 in May of 2007?

Makes no sense to me. Old news.

The news today......be converted and save your soul.


26 posted on 05/27/2007 10:52:22 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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Speaking as a seminarian, I don't believe every word of this article, its headline is way too hyperbolic. This next semester in my seminary we're getting another (mine was 64) class of around 60+ young men, who are considering their vocation to the priesthood.

I agree that it will be the case that several orders are and will be struggling for the next couple years. I do know that isn't the case at all with some of the more newer orders that hold on to good Catholic tradition, some of them are bursting at the seems with those discerning vocations.

31 posted on 05/28/2007 3:12:06 AM PDT by WritableSpace
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Jones’s analysis is simplistic. Mass attendance began to decline in this country before Vatican II, peaking at 75% in 1955. By 1965, Mass attendance had fallen to 67%. There were other factors at work here besides the Council, although the liturgical and theological confusion that followed the Council was definitely a big factor. One of these factors was the cultural revolution that occurred in this country during the 1960s, especially the revolution in sexual values. Another was the fact that by the 1960s, Catholics were increasingly entering the mainstream of American society, abandoning their “fortress mentality.” Anti-Catholic bigotry was a sad fact of American life up until WWII and Catholics were very conscious of their second-class status. Hency they kept to themselves, maintained their own insitutions, and remained aloof from society. By the 60s this was changing and Catholics were becoming “regular” Americans. Unfortunately, many stopped practicing their faith in order to fit in better with American society.

The biggest cause of the decline in vocations to the priesthood and religious life has been the decline in Mass attendance among Catholics. Catholic families who do not attend Mass on Sundays, do not produce vocations. And contraception and divorce are largely to blame for this decline in Mass attendance. Moreover, Catholics’ acceptance of the divorce mentality has directly led to a decline in vocations to the priesthood and religious life. Those who do not see marriage as something permanent and sacred will not value the renunciation of marriage for the sake of the Kingdom of God.


34 posted on 05/28/2007 5:14:30 AM PDT by steadfastconservative
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IMHO the Church can grow and prevent losing members to secularism and other religions IF the bishops all over the world would do one thing.

That thing is to teach the power of God, Jesus as God and the facts about the supernatural power of the sacraments of the Church. It would be difficult for one who knows in the depths of his/her being about the Real Presence in the Eucharist to leave the only church which offers it.

A side issue is to teach people about the fact that all bishops, all priests and even the pope may be flawed, is that which requires submission of mind. We do not worship or idolize them as people. We just respect the offices.

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48 posted on 05/28/2007 7:43:09 AM PDT by amihow
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I think things have started to turn around since this was written (2003). I posted an article to my blog a couple of years ago using the same statistics. But I think there's been a definite upswing in the positive numbers since then. For example, the conservative, traditional seminaries and convents don't seem to have enough room for all the applicants who seek acceptance, which is a very good thing, obviously. (On the other hand, liberal dioceses are ordaining one man every two or three years...hmmm...)

The election of Benedict XVI has had a wonderful effect on Church statistics, but the numbers probably won't be public for a while yet.

70 posted on 05/28/2007 5:29:27 PM PDT by redhead ("If everyone is thinking alike, someone isn't thinking." -- Patton)
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ah, but all we need to counteract this terrible fall in faith is to become a saint.

Are you doing that?


71 posted on 05/28/2007 5:55:54 PM PDT by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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73 posted on 05/28/2007 6:36:56 PM PDT by narses ("Freedom is about authority." - Rudolph Giuliani)
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Still the longest lived institution on the planet, even when arguing amongst themselves, she’ll be here long after the mainline protestant denominations have gone, which doesn’t seem likely to be much longer. Then she’ll outlast the muslims, and be there at the second coming.


80 posted on 05/28/2007 7:51:58 PM PDT by WriteOn (Truth)
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That’s funny, my RCIA class had 97 this Easter vigil, including converts, and not counting the slew of teenagers along with over 120 first communicants (With 3 masses of different languages on 4 Sundays in May with first communions, it’s a task... along with all the baptisms in between).


90 posted on 05/29/2007 5:12:28 AM PDT by AliVeritas (I see the men and women on the battlefield... where are the men and women here?)
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the catholic church is not the USA church, it is universal. There are about 60 million catholics in the USA, only a fraction of the 1.1billion catholic population. The church is booming everywhere except the secularist west. in mexico for example there are almost as many seminarians as there are priests, in brazil the number of seminarians has increased 10 fold since the 70’s, africa, south and east asia it is booming. All IS well in the church, just wait a few years and things will come right again in the West. It’s a generational thing; young people will return to the church, and they are, you’ll be swamped by them in a decade or two.


91 posted on 05/29/2007 5:19:09 AM PDT by rogernz
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I don’t rely on “facts” that are 6 months old without believing this article


115 posted on 05/29/2007 6:12:29 PM PDT by franky1
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A 4 year old article?


133 posted on 05/30/2007 7:23:43 PM PDT by Patriotic1 (Dic mihi solum facta, domina - Just the facts, ma'am)
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