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This is an excerpt from a larger book, The New Covenant: Does It Abolish God's Law?

Great reading that may challenge your perceptions.

1 posted on 04/21/2007 6:18:03 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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Many people assume that the Ten Commandments and the covenant God established with ancient Israel are identical—and that both were abolished by Jesus Christ's death.

Oh, really? Who?

2 posted on 04/21/2007 6:19:13 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("And he had turned the Prime Minister's teacup into a gerbil.")
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To: DouglasKC
Many people assume that the Ten Commandments and the covenant God established with ancient Israel are identical—and that both were abolished by Jesus Christ's death.


HUH?!?!? What The ...

5 posted on 04/21/2007 6:34:51 AM PDT by Condor51 (Rudy makes John Kerry look like a Right Wing 'Gun Nut' Extremist)
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10 posted on 04/21/2007 6:57:14 AM PDT by narses ("Freedom is about authority." - Rudolph Giuliani)
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Just a study note regarding the different meanings of Rom 4:15 and 1stJohn 3:4 english translation of the word “transgression” from the Greek.

The transgression referred to in 1st john 3:4 is a different Greek word referring to an iniquity or unrighteousness, a transgression of the law, HANOMIA.

(1Jn 3:4) Whosoever3956 committeth4160 sin266 transgresseth also the law:4160, 2532, 458 for2532 sin266 is2076 the3588 transgression of the law.458

pas o poion ten hamartian kai ten anomian poiei kai e hamartia estin e anomia

The passage in Romans refers to a breaking or violation of law, PARABASIS

(Rom 4:15) Because1063 the3588 law3551 worketh2716 wrath:3709 for1063 where3757 no3756 law3551 is,2076 there is no3761 transgression.3847

o gar nomos orgen katergazetai ou gar ouk/de estin nomos oude parabasis

The author makes a logical error in his argument by identifying the two words to argue his conclusion, ie. its invalid. This doesn;t mean his statements aren’t true, merely that the argument isn’t sound.


12 posted on 04/21/2007 7:02:08 AM PDT by Cvengr (The violence of evil is met with the violence of righteousness, justice, love and grace.)
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To: DouglasKC

Is this a Scripture debate, or archaeological/historical debate thread?

Quite a few pre-Jewish religions had equivalents and parallel teachings, most influential to Judeo-Christian philosophy being the Zoroastrian Asha Vahishta.

But that might not be along the lines you wanted to have this thread follow.


13 posted on 04/21/2007 7:04:16 AM PDT by JerseyHighlander
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To: DouglasKC

The author has apparently never heard of Natural Law.


17 posted on 04/21/2007 7:37:36 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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Did the Ten Commandments Exist Before Moses?
Yes, and originally there were fifteen. Oops ...

19 posted on 04/21/2007 7:48:11 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: DouglasKC
Romans 5:13-14 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses

Romans 5:20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound.

Gal 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

Note the progeression here, God gave the promise to Abraham before he gave the law.
21 posted on 04/21/2007 8:13:21 AM PDT by Seven_0 (You cannot fool all of the people, ever!)
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To: DouglasKC

The old law was clearly and explicitly not abolished. It was summed up (fulfilled) in the new law which is supposedly to be the Golden Rule but is actually explicitly stated and repeated in case it was overlooked in Mt.


25 posted on 04/21/2007 8:45:45 AM PDT by RightWhale (3 May '07 3:14 PM)
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To: DouglasKC

What does the Bible say?


28 posted on 04/21/2007 9:01:25 AM PDT by Salvation (" With God all things are possible. ")
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Jesus said, if we love him, we will keep His commandments. He told the woman caught in adultery to leave her life of sin. To change!

Anyone who claims to be a Christian, yet steals, lies, and cheats 7 days a week is blotting his own name out of the Book of Life.

We have no right to call Jesus, "Lord" and not do what he says.

Obedience brings victory.

31 posted on 04/21/2007 9:03:20 AM PDT by pray4liberty (http://totallyunjust.tripod.com)
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To: DouglasKC
Therefore, the Ten Commandments were only codified—written in stone as part of a formal covenant—at Mt. Sinai. Scripture clearly shows that they existed and were in force well before then.

I had never looked at this, but after reading the article, it makes complete sense.

51 posted on 04/21/2007 10:48:34 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: DouglasKC

Deu 5:1 ¶ And Moses called all Israel, and said unto them, Hear, O Israel, the statutes and judgments which I speak in your ears this day, that ye may learn them, and keep, and do them.

Deu 5:2 The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb.

Deu 5:3 The LORD made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, [even] us, who [are] all of us here alive this day.

Deu 5:4 The LORD talked with you face to face in the mount out of the midst of the fire,

Deu 5:5 (I stood between the LORD and you at that time, to shew you the word of the LORD: for ye were afraid by reason of the fire, and went not up into the mount;) saying,

Deu 5:6 ¶ I [am] the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.

Deu 5:7 ¶ Thou shalt have none other gods before me.

NOT WITH OUR FATHERS! There it is.


65 posted on 04/21/2007 11:56:01 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: DouglasKC

Actually, this piece is the perfect answer to the last thread; it is precisely what I was groping for the words for: Mosaic law was abolished, but God’s law is eternal. Hence, the 700-or-so restrictions on Jews were not applied to Gentiles, including dietary restrictions, circumcision, festivals, etc.; but the ten commandments are eternal.


92 posted on 04/22/2007 1:06:33 PM PDT by dangus
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The Ten Commandments are a clear enunciation of the righteousness demanded by our Creator. As such they have always existed, and they will always be a source of accusation not only from God toward humankind, but also between humans.

My question is: What is the difference between an accusation that comes through the Ten Commandments and an accusation that comes through Satan?


102 posted on 04/22/2007 8:56:40 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Jeremiah Jr; the-ironically-named-proverbs2
Ecclesiastes 12:12-14

12 And further, by these, my son, be admonished: of making many books there is no end; and much study is a weariness of the flesh.
13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.

106 posted on 04/22/2007 10:23:45 PM PDT by Thinkin' Gal
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