Posted on 04/18/2007 11:20:10 AM PDT by Salvation
**They keep pulling
me
back
in.**
Are you saying you have no self-discipline? I really doubt that??? Then who are you blaming?? Or are you blaming anyone at all??
Inquiring minds want to know.
LOL.....right over their heads!
Here’s a list of questions to ponder:
Figurative or Literal?
1) 6 Day Creation?
2) Garden of Eden?
3) Serpent?
4) Tree of Knowledge?
5) Cain & Abel?
6) The Flood?
7) Abraham?
8) Moses?
9) The Nile into blood?
10) Plagues of Egypt?
11) The passover?
12) The parting of the Red Sea?
13) The 40 year wandering?
14) The Ten commandments?
15) The Walls of Jericho?
16) The one hour time stop?
17) Jonah?
18) Job?
19) Sampson and the Phillistines
19) David & Goliath?
20) Daniel and the Lion’s Den?
21) Shadrach Meshach and Abednigo in the fiery furnace?
22) The Virgin Birth?
23) Water into wine?
24) The Incarnation?
25) The Resurrection?
I’m sure there are more.
False dichotomy.
which translation?
All metaphor must break down somewhere or else it be the thing which it describes.
Now that is some list for discussion! Wow!
1) 6 Day Creation?
Literal. (God’s perspective.)
2) Garden of Eden?
Literal.
3) Serpent?
Literal. (Talking donkey later too!)
4) Tree of Knowledge?
Literal.
5) Cain & Abel?
Literal.
6) The Flood?
Literal.
7) Abraham?
What about him?
8) Moses?
What about him?
9) The Nile into blood?
10) Plagues of Egypt?
11) The passover?
Literal. (Three in one bonus question there?)
12) The parting of the Red Sea?
Literal. (The Jordan several times too.)
13) The 40 year wandering?
Literal.
14) The Ten commandments?
Literal, but butterfingers busted the first copy.
15) The Walls of Jericho?
Literal.
16) The one hour time stop?
I always had trouble with Joshua having “the clapper” rigged to the sun. Help? Anyone?
17) Jonah?
Literal.
18) Job?
What about him?
19) Sampson and the Phillistines
Literal. Huzzah smackdown!
19) David & Goliath?
Literal. Huzzah smackdown!
20) Daniel and the Lions Den?
Literal.
21) Shadrach Meshach and Abednigo in the fiery furnace?
Literal.
22) The Virgin Birth?
Literal.
23) Water into wine?
Literal.
24) The Incarnation?
Literal.
25) The Resurrection?
Literal.
εν δε τη μια των σαββατων συνηγμενων των μαθητων του κλασαι αρτον ο παυλος διελεγετο αυτοις μελλων εξιεναι τη επαυριον παρετεινεν τε τον λογον μεχρι μεσονυκτιου [Acts 20:7]
If you notice the sixth word in the passage above...taken from the original Greek, it is the word Sabbatwn. This is a Hebrew word (Greek had no word for Sabbath) and the phrase "mia twn Sabbatwn" means....."one of the Sabbaths". Which one? The only time this Hebrew word is translated into the Greek is when it refers to one of the Special Sabbaths between Passover and Pentecost that the Hebrews observed [Leviticus 23:15-16]. The word does not mean Sunday...it does not mean first day of the week....it means "one of the Sabbaths" and you can see by the context that the season is Passover [Acts 20:6] and that Paul hoped to get to Jerusalem by Pentecost [Acts 20:16].
So.....to correct your translation, the verse should read: "On one of the Sabbaths we came together to break bread. Paul spoke to the people..........etc."
What a disconnected response to my suggestion that you find out what the Catholic Church (as an institution) teaches by consulting the Catholic Church's published statements of its teaching. It's almost as if you have a mental block, such that, no matter what anyone says, you're going to interpret it to mean what you've previously decided.
I find that to be No Fun. Nothing personal, and have a nice day.
Please direct your admonishments to your fellow Cahtolics. At one point I did leave the thread only to be pinged back in.
I agree, as far as I can tell.
there are more
26) "This is my body" - literal.
27) "Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them; and whose sins you shall retain, they are retained" - literal
28) "labour the more, that by good works you may make sure your calling and election" - literal
29) "by works a man is justified; and not by faith only" - literal
ancient teachers said the bible is to be interpreted four ways.
Some stories, like Jonah and Job, are teaching stories. Other historical parts were verbal traditions handed down, and have some distortions of “history” but many true facts, but again are remembered for what they tell us about God.
Even Jesus criticized the oversimplification of following the rules, and the early church disposed of most of the hygiene rules.
Like all great literature, there are many meanings and layers of meanings in the Bible. Too often the “literal” arguments miss the point.
I think kosher is beyond the OT rules on food. I can't find anywhere that was revised. And, if you look really closely at the flood, you can see that the clean meat laws pre-dated Sinai.
You shall take with you every clean animal by sevens, the male and female. And take two of the animals that are not clean, the male and female. (Genesis 7:2)
That’s it in perfect form! Thanks.
I take it as THE WORD. Period.
We've already had this discussion. Since I have no respect for a church that teaches contrary to the commandments of God, why would I send them a form in triplicate notifying them of my departure?
Then you probably still are Catholic. Have you taken steps to go through all the paperwork to formally disavow yourself from the Catholic Church? I bet not........so you are probably still a Catholic. (And you can come back anytime as long as you repent of your disbelief against the Catholic Church.)
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