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Did Benedict XVI bury the lead?
GetReligion.org ^ | September 14, 2006 | tmatt

Posted on 09/15/2006 6:42:59 AM PDT by Alex Murphy

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1 posted on 09/15/2006 6:43:00 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
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ping for later ref.


2 posted on 09/15/2006 6:47:32 AM PDT by BipolarBob (I get homesick when I look up in the skies and see my home planet.)
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To: Alex Murphy

GetReligion.org ping


3 posted on 09/15/2006 6:47:46 AM PDT by paudio (Universal Human Rights and Multiculturalism: Liberals want to have cake and eat it too!)
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To: Alex Murphy
Ask traditional and progressive Muslims if the Christian God is their God. Now ask conservative and liberal Christians the same question, then listen to the debates and the logic. You know, that issue would make a great Times piece.

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No.

4 posted on 09/15/2006 6:50:28 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: NYer; Pyro7480; Salvation
Catholic ping-out
5 posted on 09/15/2006 6:52:16 AM PDT by murphE (These are days when the Christian is expected to praise every creed but his own. --G.K. Chesterton)
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To: Alex Murphy
Benedict also seems to be more open to stating claims of Catholic authority in ecumenical talks with other Christians, a fact that may soon make a major impact on life in the Church of England.

I wonder if and how a "major impact" could occur in the Church of England. It denied papal authority WAY back. I doubt too many are ready to overturn his "holiness's" King Henry VIII's words. That is, they went their own way so long ago that the issue is moot -- my own opinion, of course.
The Episcopalian Church here in America seems to be having enough problems stemming from within.

6 posted on 09/15/2006 6:58:10 AM PDT by starfish923 (Socrates: It's never right to do wrong.)
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To: Alex Murphy

I'm beginning to hear how the Pope is offending the Islamics. That is just too bad. The Pope's main job is to carry the Gospel. If the Muslims arer offended it is not the pontiff's fault. The fault lies in the flawed 9th Century teachings that that has been spoon fed to this captive audience. The Muslims need to get if fast and hard. The Christians and the rest of the world are offended at being the direct subject of apocalyptic fundamentalism.


7 posted on 09/15/2006 7:09:08 AM PDT by oyez ( The older I get, the better I was.)
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To: Alex Murphy

They mean "bury the LEDE." "Lead," in journalism, means the lead story. "LEDE," means the introduction to a story which encapsulates the news. To "bury the LEDE" means to fail to tell the important news first.

Of course, so few non-journalists know that, and the blogosphere has brought in so many untrained would-be journalists, that the internet most commonly uses the word "lead" for "LEDE."


8 posted on 09/15/2006 7:19:20 AM PDT by dangus
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To: Alex Murphy

This story completely bungles the quote about "the truth of both." It doesn't mean the "truth" contained within Islam, but rather the truth about Islam, which is that it is an evil religion, whose only apparent good are the elements of Christianity which it borrows from and makes a mockery of.


9 posted on 09/15/2006 7:22:46 AM PDT by dangus
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To: oyez

There are no people more easily offended or humiliated than Arab muslims.


10 posted on 09/15/2006 7:41:09 AM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: Alex Murphy

**In this case, the Times even got both angles into the headline: "Pope Assails Secularism, Adding Note on Jihad." Here is the rather tortured lead, which must have been a bear to write. **

This sounds anti-Catholic.


11 posted on 09/15/2006 7:51:00 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: dangus

Learned something today.

Difference between lead and lede.

Thank you. Obviously this blog writer is acquainted with these two words.


12 posted on 09/15/2006 7:53:41 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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13 posted on 09/15/2006 7:55:10 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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I wonder if the author of this piece has read the full text of Pope Benedict's speech:

http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/speeches/2006/september/documents/hf_ben-xvi_spe_20060912_university-regensburg_en.html


14 posted on 09/15/2006 8:06:44 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Alex Murphy
this pope is asking if Christians have the right to raise questions about Islam and then, if need be, demand the right to debate them candidly with Muslims.

He does mention the dread word "dialogue" in his address, because he is obviously setting the stage for serious debate on the matter. I say "dread" because "dialogue" has now come to mean feel-good moments where Christians go out and listen to other people tell us how horrible we are and then congratulate ourselves for having stood there and taken it and maybe even having done a little breast-beating as a special extra. I don't think the former is this pope's idea of "dialogue," and the Muslims have been advised of it.

15 posted on 09/15/2006 8:14:48 AM PDT by livius
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To: oyez

You said it.


16 posted on 09/15/2006 8:15:56 AM PDT by Catholic Canadian (Formerly Ashamed Canadian - thank you Stephen Harper!)
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17 posted on 09/15/2006 8:15:59 AM PDT by Coleus (Abortion and Euthanasia, Don't Democrats just kill ya!)
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To: Salvation

Well, "assails" is wrong, and secularism is misleading. The pope is against
the radical rationalism that is dominant in the West and the relativism that treats all relgion as basically the same and to be equally ignored in any case.
Neither the pope nor the radical Muslims accept this. The "Times" obviously does not understand the thinking of either.


18 posted on 09/15/2006 8:16:56 AM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: livius
He does mention the dread word "dialogue" in his address, because he is obviously setting the stage for serious debate on the matter.

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I do believe you are right. Prayers for our Pope. He is an inspiration.

19 posted on 09/15/2006 8:21:11 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: livius
I don't think the former is this pope's idea of "dialogue," and the Muslims have been advised of it.

Heh, I don't think Pope Benedict is into 'breast beating' in the modern multicultural sense.

20 posted on 09/15/2006 8:50:32 AM PDT by SuziQ
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