Posted on 08/16/2006 7:47:20 PM PDT by Teófilo
Prove it. I suspect your understanding of "the communion of saints" is lacking.
Where there is proper expression and interpretation of the biblical texts, God be praised. It is His work, and it is precisely what He wants to do in our midst.
***"By contemplating Mary in her celestial glory," the Pontiff said in conclusion, "we understand that the earth is not our final homeland, that if we live constantly focused on that which is eternal, we can share one day that same glory***
If that isn't Mary worship, then nothing is. I don't contemplate Mary, I contemplate Jesus. If you want to contemplate a dead woman, fine. I will contemplate my living Lord. I will share in CHRIST'S GLORY, not Mary's.
If my argument is simplistic, then you should have no problem debating it.
Suspect away. You have no idea how much education I have, nor do you have any idea my walk with God. For you to make such an assumption is a demonstration of your "lack of understanding."
Could it be because most FR Catholics have no clue what sola scriptura actually meant to Protestants during the Reformation?
My last sentence refuted it.
What do you mean? There were Catholics on that thread.
Sola Scripture...Catholics are told they can't understand the bible on their own...You guys need your church to interpret it for you...Your church certainly took away any incentive for you to read or study the bible...You can't understand it anyway, so why bother...You can only repeat what they told you...
Your church cites a verse where an Ethiopian requests help in understanding the bible as proof that a 'majesterium' is needed to 'interpret the bible for you...
Yup...The Ethiopian needed help...What's more fascinating is the the Ethiopian was carrying around a copy of the scriptures...Copies must have been pretty plentiful back then...Plus,
The scripture reference is of course, the Crucifixion of Jesus...Since about 80% of the Old Testament is prophecy, it's no mystery to me why the Ethiopian, not yet being saved and filled with the Holy Spirit, could not understand the prophecy...
Bible believers aren't against teachers...Your church made that up...The bible is full of teachers...And contrary to what you've been taught, we bible believers rely on teachers...But you don't know what the difference is...
Very often in the bible, when the apostles or even Jesus was asked a question, the answer was, 'what do the scriptures say about it...That is the key...You interpret scripture with other scripture...I find it amusing that your church uses this verse to attack bible believers: 2Pe 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the Scripture is of any private interpretation.
You know what's comical??? This verse applies to your magisterium as well...You go in there with a simple mind and a humble heart and ask God to show you something...And if you can get beyond the milk, He'll give you a little meat...And the interpretation is accomplished by, "What saith the scriptures..." And of course, being filled with the Holy Spirit is the #1 requirement to understanding the scripture...
Surely the Pope gave a public testimony at some time...Can you tell me, what did the Pope do to get filled with the Holy Spirit???
Precisely. Men shouldn't trust their own wisdom, but trust the authority that was founded to teach and guard the truth.
Your church certainly took away any incentive for you to read or study the bible...You can't understand it anyway, so why bother...You can only repeat what they told you...
Then why would a Catholic saint say, "Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ," and why would popes grant indulgences for the reading of Scripture?
***What is taught by the Pope is not created by he himself, but by what was has been held for centuries, millenia even.***
Is it taught by the Bible? Or is it a man made idea? What was taught by Popes of the past is not followed today. Why not? Where did God change?
Give me an example of an infallibly taught doctrine that is no longer taught.
I didn't do the assuming. You did when you claimed the Pope worshiped the Virgin Mary. You don't have any idea of the Pope's walk with God You still need to prove your claim.
Practice versus teaching. Indulgences are still given, though the practice (not teaching) of indulgence granted for monetary contributions to the Church are explicitly forbidden by the Council of Trent. The practice was an abuse.
If your Sola Scriptura is so darn great and perfect, why do so many of you disagree? Which one of you is right? Is it the Methodists, the Baptists, the Presbyterians, the Lutherans, the Pentecostals, etc?
It's actually laughable how you make fun of the Pope when in fact each of you have set yourselves up as infallible little popes with your "Sola Scriptura allows me to interpret the Bible correctly!"
Look at what I posted. Those are his words. He is talking about glorifying Mary.
OOHH, ouch, I am wounded.
Any one can memorize the scripture...Doesn't mean you understand any of it...
and why would popes grant indulgences for the reading of Scripture?
I'd guess it's for the money...Your church still charges for the indulgances don't they...
So the Pope will knock off, what is it, 3 years of your stay in Purgatory if you read some of the bible???
Purgatory isn't in my bible...I don't believe in Purgatory...I think your church made it up to coerce money out of it's people and control it's members...
Let me give you an example...Paul says he is the greatest sinner of all...But then Paul says "to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord"...
Paul didn't believe in Purgatory...None of the apostles spoke of Purgatory...Your church didn't teach Purgatory til at least the 4th century, maybe later...
Sure, your church says to reads scripture, as long as they can tell you what it means...
Was the practice taught? Was it encouraged? Did one person go away thinking he had done that which is right by the Lord because the Pope said it was right? Remember what Paul taught. That which I do, put into practice. If the Pope encouraged it, it was practiced, desired, and in ERROR.
What is the reason for indulgences? Forgiving of sins? Only Jesus can forgive a sin, not a Pope, not Mary, not a Saint, nobody but Jesus, and he don't need your money to do it.
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