Posted on 08/16/2006 7:47:20 PM PDT by Teófilo
I read it. You still haven't proven he worships the Virgin Mary. You are assuming he does.
there were five points in the reformation
sola fida
sola gratia
Solo Christo
Solo deo gloria
Sola Scriptura
Likely my conjugations are off.
Didn't Jesus say to the thief, "Today you will be with me in Purgatory...?"
:>)
By his own words he is guilty. If you can't see it you are as blind as he is.
He didn't say he worships the Virgin Mary. You assumed it, and haven't proven it, and you assume I am as blind as he is. You do a lot of assuming.
You assumed first, neener, neener, neener.
Well no, you are wrong again. Your post #18 was before my #21. So save your neeners for for another time.
See #35.
I'm not trying to wound you. It's the truth.
A curiousity about your name... you aren't by any way a fireworks dude, are you? As in Pyrotechnician?
As far as I can tell from the historical record, the practice did not appear until 1517, when Pope Leo X offered indulgences for those who helped the rebuilding of St. Peter's Basilica. It wasn't a teaching, but as I said, a practice. His practice was officially rebuked by the Council of Trent, later in the same century.
What is the reason for indulgences? Forgiving of sins?
An indulgence is for the remission of temporal punishments for sins already forgiven.
Only Jesus can forgive a sin, not a Pope, not Mary, not a Saint, nobody but Jesus, and he don't need your money to do it.
The Church has never taught that Mary or any of the saints can forgive sins. The power of priests to grant absolution of sins is Scriptural. "When he had said this, he breathed on them; and he said to them: Receive ye the Holy Ghost. Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them; and whose sins you shall retain, they are retained" (John 20: 22-23).
Close. ;-) The 7-4-80 is my birthdate, July 4, 1980, which is Independence Day, and as you know, there are always fireworks on that day. It's one of the favorite things about my birthday.
Maybe that was implied, i.e. Ouch, I'm wounded by the truth.
***An indulgence is for the remission of temporal punishments for sins already forgiven. ***
That is funny, how can you be punished for a sin that is forgiven? I thought that Jesus took all our sins upon him and died so we are not punished.
I am a pyro. Been doing fireworks shows for about 15 years now. I love the 4th!!!!!!!!
From Indulgences
"Indulgences are only granted by the Church after the individual earning the indulgence receives the sacrament of reconciliation (penance) or experiences perfect contrition. Because the sacrament of reconciliation removes the guilt of sin, the penitent is restored by reconciliation to the state of grace. However, while the individual’s guilt is removed by reconciliation, the sin is not completely erased; the individual still must be punished for the sin. God has mercy upon sinners who repent of their sins, but like a good parent, His justice still requires that the sinner be punished for the wrongdoing. This punishment is called temporal punishment, both because it is a punishment of time, as opposed to eternal punishment, and because it relates to the temporary world (Earth or Purgatory), rather than to the “final destination” (Heaven or hell)."
First off, the main stream Protestants are basically still Catholic...
Don't forget, there are almost as branches of the Catholic church as there are Protestants...
But the answer to your question is simple...It's a matter of disbelief...
Pentecostals: For an example, they hang in there with the spiritual gifts...They don't believe the bible when it says the gifts are for a sign to the Jews...They don't believe the bible when it says that tongues are a foreign language and they don't believe you always need an interpreter when speaking in tongues even when the bible says differently...
Mormons: They don't believe in the Trinity even tho the bible is clear on the Father, Son and Holy Spirit...They have another book besides the bible...
7th Day Adventists: These folks are living under the law and worship on the Sabbath...Unbiblical...
Methodists: Historically, Methodists were bible believers...I know a couple that attended a Methodist church for 6 years...They claim they never heard the plan of Salvation til they left the church...
Presbyterians, Anglicans: For example: Luk 20:46 Beware of the scribes, which desire to walk in long robes, and love greetings in the markets, and the highest seats in the synagogues, and the chief rooms at feasts;
Luk 20:47 Which devour widows' houses, and for a show make long prayers: the same shall receive greater damnation.
Catholic: Mat 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
The divisions come from disbelief...They either don't compare scripture with scripture for a correct interpretation, or they chose not to believe what the bible says and add to or take away from it...
And he never even got baptized...
How do you know?
***Because the sacrament of reconciliation removes the guilt of sin, the penitent is restored by reconciliation to the state of grace. However, while the individual’s guilt is removed by reconciliation, the sin is not completely erased; the individual still must be punished for the sin.***
You see, this is where we differ. Paul said there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. No condemnation, at all. Jesus paid all the penalty for my sins, all of it, otherwise he died in vain. He didn't pay part of it, or most of it, or almost all of it, he paid it all. If you were to die tonight, right after you committed a sin, and you didn't have time to see a priest, are your sins forgiven? They are if you believe is Jesus for the remission of your sins, and Jeus only.
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