Posted on 06/13/2006 6:25:48 AM PDT by hiho hiho
LOL! Well, a certain type of man is...which probably explains the sudden popularity of the gay marriage issue among Protestant denominations. ;)
Plenty of men can be found at churches who subscribe to the Gospel, and not culturally sensitive watered down versions of it.
What say you?
Thanks for the ping!
Let me check with the wife first.
"Let me check with the wife first."
You speak for all of us.
... and remember when churches were built like Fortresses rather than shopping malls
I'm telling you...men would rather have a firm handshake in the narthex than put their name on the cookie sign-up sheet in the foyer (or "foi-YAY" as the people in my church call it).
Where are the men?
Two thoughts come to mind:
-men are turned off by Jesus is my boyfriend songs ("Hold me close, wrap your arms around me..")
-men's ministries are patterned after women's ministies. Men want to jump off cliffs into rivers and fish/hunt. Not sit around and talk about their feelings
my 0.02 cents
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A church that doesn't force the men to be the leaders quickly becomes feminized and runs the men off. The women eventually follow.
For example, the PCUSA has had women officers for about a generation (slightly longer in some of its component branches). Now, 75% of the deacons and half of the elders are women. Of course, the men have left, but the women are beginning to leave as well.
Here's some free advice for any preachers who are reading. The men don't like to hold hands with the person next to them unless it is an attractive female, preferably his wife, and he doesn't want his wife holding hands with another men. So knock off the 'holding hands' in unity 'stuff'.
I agree with you, my old church started to make us do that, I haven't been back since.
In my case, it was the Planck length-thick teaching (and the scowls at those of us who asked difficult questions and pursued deeper issues--not primarily from the leadership, but from the other laity!) that first stirred me to go hunting for a new congregation.
My previous Pastor worked the third shift at the "flying machine" factory for the twenty years he was Pastor. He had a softball team and played catcher until he was 70. He took men on hunting and fishing trips, used sports metaphors to illustrate scripture and helped do the repairs on the church and parishoners houses. He preached regularly at a rescue mission and if you were a Deacon or Elder you were expected to be there. The church had no problem attracting men and women nor did he have any trouble getting the men to do the work of the ministry. His messages made you think and squirm and there was no place to hide and His Jesus was a real man, a carpenter with rough calloused hands whose humor and message attracted real men like fishermen and yet was non menacing to little children. This Pastor had time for every body even though he had a large family and work to do. He never counselled any one but told them to listen to the sermon, study the scripture and let the Holy Spirit have His way. He led some of the toughest men from WWII to the Lord and encouraged many into the ministry and mission field. You want men, then be a man!
Well, a certain type of man is...which probably explains the sudden popularity of the gay marriage issue among Protestant denominations.
Tisk, tisk, Catholic brother, play nice or we will bring up the gay priest issue all over again. Not to mention the Rainbow Sashers, etc.
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