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Vatican official to Anglicans: Women bishops would destroy unity
Catholic News Service ^ | June 7, 2006 | Simon Caldwell

Posted on 06/08/2006 10:00:40 AM PDT by NYer

LONDON (CNS) -- A Vatican cardinal has warned the Church of England that a move to ordain women as bishops would destroy any chance of full unity with the Catholic and Orthodox churches.

Cardinal Walter Kasper, president of the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity, said that if the Church of England adopted such a resolution the "shared partaking of the one Lord's table, which we long for so earnestly, would disappear into the far and ultimately unreachable distance."

"Instead of moving toward one another, we would simply coexist alongside each other," he said.

His remarks came in a speech to a private meeting of the Church of England bishops in Market Bosworth, England, just four months after the bishops agreed to set up a working group to outline a process through which women might be consecrated as bishops.

Although three of the world's Anglican provinces have already agreed to consecrate women as bishops, Cardinal Kasper said decisions made by the Church of England had a "particular importance" because they gave a "strong indication of the direction in which the communion as a whole was heading."

Saying that he spoke with "pain and sadness," the cardinal warned the bishops of their historic decision's grave consequences, both to ecumenical relations and to the interior unity of the Anglican Communion.

Among the most serious of these, he said, would be that the goal of restoring full church communion "would realistically no longer exist" because it could not exist "without full communion in the episcopal office."

A decision in favor of women bishops made broadly by the Anglican Communion, he said, would also represent a turning away from the "common position of all the churches of the first millennium."

He said this meant that the Anglican Communion would no longer occupy "a special place" among the churches of the West but would align itself closely to the Protestant churches of the 16th century.

Cardinal Kasper said that although ecumenical dialogue would continue the loss of a common goal would "rob such encounters of their elan and their internal dynamic."

He said a further consequence of a resolution in favor of women bishops would be that the Catholic Church would inevitably continue to refuse to recognize the validity of Anglican orders.

He said that ecumenical discussions between the churches on "Apostolicae Curae," the 1896 papal bull that declared Anglican orders "absolutely null and utterly void," had "justifiably aroused promising expectations" of a change in the Catholic position. But he said that the growing practice of the ordination of women to the priesthood had since led to an "appreciable cooling" of such discussions.

The ordination of women bishops, Cardinal Kasper added, would "most certainly lower the temperature even more; in terms of the possible recognition of Anglican orders, it would lead not only to a short-lived cold, but to a serious and long-lasting chill."

Addressing the subject of the interior unity of the Anglican Communion, the cardinal said that the episcopal office was essentially one of unity and, therefore, any consecration that either caused schism or blocked the way to full unity would be intrinsically contradictory.

He criticized a proposal by the Church of England House of Bishops to remedy such divisions by allowing parishes that rejected women bishops to choose to be cared for by a male traditionalist bishop.

"Where mutual recognition and communion between bishops does not exist or no longer exists, where one can therefore no longer concelebrate the Eucharist, then no church communion, at least no full church communion and thus no eucharistic communion can exist," he said. "Arrangements like those I have referred to can only cover over the breach superficially; they can paper over the cracks, but they cannot heal the division; one can even go one step further and say that, from the Catholic perspective, they are the unspoken institutionalization, manifestation and virtual legitimating of an existing schism."

Cardinal Kasper said that Pope John Paul II had made it clear that the church's position on women's ordinations "in no way rose from a denial of the equal dignity of men and women ... but is based solely on the fidelity to apostolic testimony as it has been handed down in the church throughout the centuries."

Cardinal Kasper was among a number of speakers invited to address the meeting by Anglican Archbishop Rowan Williams of Canterbury, head of the worldwide Anglican Communion.

In a statement June 6, Archbishop Williams said nothing was achieved by avoiding hard questions and that he appreciated the spirit with which the cardinal had shared his concerns.

"As we consider whether women should be ordained as bishops in the Church of England and what shape any possible legislation should take, it is important to have this kind of honesty and clarity about how changes made here might impact upon the common commitments of our two communions to the search for full visible unity in Christ's church," he said.

The archbishop is scheduled to go to Rome in the fall for his second meeting with Pope Benedict XVI.


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1 posted on 06/08/2006 10:00:42 AM PDT by NYer
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2 posted on 06/08/2006 10:01:16 AM PDT by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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3 posted on 06/08/2006 10:02:27 AM PDT by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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To: NYer

Curiously, there appears to be no mention of what the Bible says about the issue.


4 posted on 06/08/2006 10:03:13 AM PDT by newgeezer (Repeal all Amendments after XV. Yes, ALL of them. Yes, I mean that one, too.)
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To: newgeezer
Curiously, there appears to be no mention of what the Bible says about the issue.

Can you name me any female Apostles?
5 posted on 06/08/2006 10:08:53 AM PDT by Antoninus (I don't vote for liberals -- regardless of party.)
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To: newgeezer

Actually, that's because the Church has always treated the male priesthood as a question of tradition and discipline, not of absolute Scriptural authority.


6 posted on 06/08/2006 10:10:57 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: newgeezer
That's already been taken care of. See here, for example. Note that references to the Sacred Scriptures are inlined, rather than footnoted.
7 posted on 06/08/2006 10:11:27 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: newgeezer

Why don't you do that for us.


8 posted on 06/08/2006 10:11:50 AM PDT by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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To: AnAmericanMother; newgeezer
NOT so ... see again the late Pope John Paul II's letter Ordination Sacerdotalis, linked above. The matter of priestly celibacy IS, as you say, one of tradition and discipline.
9 posted on 06/08/2006 10:13:43 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: newgeezer
"Curiously, there appears to be no mention of what the Bible says about the issue."


1 Timothy 3:2
"A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;"



Hard to be the "husband of one wife" if you're a female.

(Also hard to be a "husband of one wife" if you're a Catholic Bishop.)
10 posted on 06/08/2006 10:16:56 AM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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11 posted on 06/08/2006 10:21:19 AM PDT by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† | Iran Azadi | SONY: 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0urs)
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To: NYer
Cardinal Kasper said that Pope John Paul II had made it clear that the church's position on women's ordinations "in no way rose from a denial of the equal dignity of men and women ... but is based solely on the fidelity to apostolic testimony as it has been handed down in the church throughout the centuries."

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Works for me.

12 posted on 06/08/2006 10:23:20 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: PetroniusMaximus

I guess that means that there can be women Bishops here in Mass!! (must go vomit now)


13 posted on 06/08/2006 10:24:50 AM PDT by Cheverus
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To: PetroniusMaximus
Not as hard as you think ... it certainly would be a change from current practice, and unprecedented in recent history. Even in the East, where married men are often ordained to the priesthood the bishops are chosen from among the ranks of celibate monks.

Still, there would be no theological problem with it. It's a matter of discipline and prudence.

Priestesses, and bishopesses, on the other hand are a huge Scriptural and theological problem.

14 posted on 06/08/2006 10:25:10 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

"Priestesses, and bishopesses"

No, whatever the gender, they are called priests and bishops. Hope that helps.


15 posted on 06/08/2006 10:25:58 AM PDT by linda_22003
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To: linda_22003

No, they are priestesses and bishopesses, and the Anglicans' habit of ordaining them simply takes them further down the road of apostacy.

Hope that helps.


16 posted on 06/08/2006 10:28:18 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: linda_22003
Oh, yes.

Nouns and verbs have gender. Gender is a grammatical term. They are masculine, feminine, or neuter.

Men and women, boys and girls have sex. They are either male or female.

Hope that helps, too.

17 posted on 06/08/2006 10:30:05 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

And.... you can't spell apostasy. Hope that helps! You have the choice to not be Anglican, and I don't see a reason the churches should unite, frankly.


18 posted on 06/08/2006 10:33:48 AM PDT by linda_22003
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To: linda_22003
and I don't see a reason the churches should unite, frankly.

Tell that to Jesus who prayed "That they all may be one." You tell Him to His face that His Church should not be one.

19 posted on 06/08/2006 10:36:51 AM PDT by Carolina
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To: Carolina

Well, you're going to have a problem with the Southern Baptists.


20 posted on 06/08/2006 10:38:50 AM PDT by linda_22003
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