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Catholic School Teacher Fired for Having In Vitro
ABC News ^ | May 11, 2006

Posted on 05/12/2006 6:56:49 AM PDT by NYer

May 11, 2006 — - After five years trying to conceive, Kelly and Eric Romenesko decided to try in vitro fertilization.

Their twins, Alexandria and Allison, were born last year. It was a joyous event in the couple's life.

"They're miracles. They're precious," Kelly Romenesko said.

The couple were not prepared for what came next. When Kelly, a teacher at two Catholic schools in Wisconsin, told her bosses she had gotten pregnant through in vitro, they handed her a pink slip.

"I was in tears," she said. "I remember asking, 'Is this the only reason why I'm being fired?' They stated, 'Yes.'"

The schools say Romenesko agreed to follow church teachings when she was hired. One of those teachings was that the in vitro technique was morally wrong because it replaced natural conception.

"I did not know what the Catholic doctrine stated against in vitro fertilization. Yes, I signed a contract, but the contract was vague in my opinion. I didn't know what I was doing as far as in vitro goes that that went against doctrine. My understanding was it was the Ten Commandments."

Church Doctrine

People like Joseph Capizzi of the Culture of Life Foundation said that in vitro fertilization ran counter to Catholic teachings, which stress that a child should be conceived through sex between a husband and wife.

"It's not so much that it's artificial that's the problem, instead it's removing the sexual act and procreative act from the context of marriage," he said.

The church also takes issue with in vitro because embryos are sometimes destroyed, but Romenesko said there were other teachers who had in vitro in the school. She said she did not go public with her announcement but "stated it to a principal behind closed doors that we were going through this process."

Romenesko appealed to the school board, but it would not reinstate her. Now a state agency is looking into the case. Meanwhile, the Romeneskos have stopped practicing Catholicism.

"I think the issue here is the fact that Kelly was released from her job for being pregnant, not the in vitro fertilization itself," Eric said. "Our daughters have been baptized Lutheran at this point in time. Kelly and I haven't converted yet."

"It wouldn't change my ability to teach in any way," she said. "It's a shame. This shouldn't have happened."


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To: swmobuffalo
For the Catholic church to judge this couple this way is unscriptural and judgemental.

It is entirely within the Church's right and role to teach on morality. She is about the saving of souls. A charge she received from the Lord Christ Himself.

You, who are so concerned about the Church being judgmental and unscriptural, refuse to even make a cursory reading of what she believes and find out what the theology is behind the teachings. You disdain the "men who interpret the Bible" who are bound and rooted and grounded in 2000 years of Scripture and Tradition. And you call the Church judgmental?

Mote meet beam.

121 posted on 05/12/2006 9:04:46 PM PDT by Carolina
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122 posted on 05/12/2006 9:16:13 PM PDT by Coleus (I Support Research using the Ethical, Effective and Moral use of stem cells: non-embryonic)
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To: NYer

My understanding was it was the Ten Commandments." >>>

I guess she missed the part that said, "thou shall not kill"

The IVF procedure fertilizes many embryos where most do not get to see the light of day. They are implanted in the mother only to have her immune system attack them, some are passed, some are selectively reduced and the others are frozen for life in liquid nitrogen.

I partially blame the church since I have yet to read anything in diocesan newspapers or hear any priest talk about it from the pulpit or see any bulletin inserts about it.


123 posted on 05/12/2006 9:19:49 PM PDT by Coleus (I Support Research using the Ethical, Effective and Moral use of stem cells: non-embryonic)
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124 posted on 05/12/2006 9:35:55 PM PDT by Coleus (I Support Research using the Ethical, Effective and Moral use of stem cells: non-embryonic)
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To: Carolina

Plus the fact is IVF is a technique of animal husbandry. Kind of blurs the difference between a woman and a cow.


125 posted on 05/12/2006 9:37:39 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: swmobuffalo

You are simply making an assertion that the Catholic CXhurch has no authority to absolve men of sin. You are entitled to your opinion, but it is no more than that.


126 posted on 05/12/2006 9:40:39 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: RobbyS

"Catholic CXhurch has no authority to absolve men of sin. You are entitled to your opinion, but it is no more than that."

Show me in the scripture where they do and we'll talk.


127 posted on 05/12/2006 9:51:05 PM PDT by swmobuffalo (The only good terrorist is a dead terrorist.)
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To: Carolina

Teaching is one thing, judging is something else. I see nothing in scripture that gives the "Church" the right or reason to judge this couple as being sinful. Show me in scripture where and I might change my mind.


128 posted on 05/12/2006 9:53:33 PM PDT by swmobuffalo (The only good terrorist is a dead terrorist.)
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To: swmobuffalo
"thou shall not kill" for starters.

You kill embryos, children with their own DNA, when you use the IVF procedure. Usually 12 are created, 4 at a time are implanted, all 4 could die if one makes it the other 3 die, the rest are frozen indefinitely..
129 posted on 05/12/2006 10:17:24 PM PDT by Coleus (I Support Research using the Ethical, Effective and Moral use of stem cells: non-embryonic)
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To: swmobuffalo

The only absolution I need is from God and it's free for the asking. >>

tell me if and when God forgives your sins? How do know exactly which sin is forgiven and which sins are not?


130 posted on 05/12/2006 10:18:59 PM PDT by Coleus (I Support Research using the Ethical, Effective and Moral use of stem cells: non-embryonic)
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To: NYer
Meanwhile, the Romeneskos have stopped practicing Catholicism.

It must not have meant much to them to begin with if her getting fired caused them to fall away. If she had been an INFORMED Catholic, she would have known what the Church taught. However there are many Catholics who ignore this teaching everyday because they want to have their own children, the same as many who ignore the Church's teaching on artificial contraception. They don't give any thought as to WHY the Church teaches what She does.

THis woman should have talked to her Pastor about this, if not before, then certainly after the babies were born.

131 posted on 05/12/2006 10:21:17 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: NYer; Coleus; rmlew; Cacique

I had priests/teachers who made Liberace look like John Wayne, a history teacher who was a notorious womanizer, and a gym teacher who received Lewinskis from my female classmates, all at a Catholic high school.


132 posted on 05/12/2006 10:24:36 PM PDT by Clemenza (If you don't trust the government to buy your groceries, why trust it to educate your children?)
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To: cardinal4
The Church should quietly re-instate her.

THE CHURCH didn't fire her. The principal did.

133 posted on 05/12/2006 10:26:42 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: armydoc
I don't understand why people are confused about NFP. Obviously EVERY sexual act between a married couple will not be procreative, but they should be unitive. If a couple is using NFP to avoid conception, there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. They are working with God and each other, in abstaining from marital relations when they know, by the signs God gives women, that it is likely they will conceive. When they understand that it is no longer likely they will conceive, they will resume relations. In doing this they are working TOGETHER, as a couple, as God has planned. This is unity.

If however, a couple is using artificial means to avoid pregnancy, the unitive aspect has been destroyed, and they are not working with nature, but against it.

134 posted on 05/12/2006 10:37:15 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: swmobuffalo

St. John 20, 23. of course.


135 posted on 05/12/2006 10:38:37 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Thanks for your awesome explanation. I'm always mystified when people think NFP is wrong because some people choose to use it to avoid pregnancy. It's simply using the signs God gives women to help them and their husbands decide when to express the mutual love with which God has Blessed them.


136 posted on 05/12/2006 10:41:32 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: armydoc
My understanding that a "procreative intent" is also required

I don't know where you learned that, but it's clearly wrong. Even John Paul II taught about the unitive aspects of sexual relations in marriage. Sometimes they're procreative as well, but they won't always be. You don't have to limit the sexual act in marriage to only those times you wish to conceive children. THAT would thwart the unitive aspects of marriage that God planned when he said "the two shall become one."

137 posted on 05/12/2006 10:45:32 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Sterm26

Exactly, agree with the decision or not, all this couple had to do was keep their mouth shut about their business, and the church probably would never had questioned it. If she ran her mouth, knowing the doctrine of the church...she made the decision, not the church...she basically "forced their hand".


138 posted on 05/12/2006 10:46:05 PM PDT by Wizy
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To: armydoc
"Under the moral aspect procreation is deprived of its proper perfection when it is not willed as the fruit of the conjugal act, that is to say, of the specific act of the spouses' union

That still doesn't mean that a couple should ONLY have sexual relations when it is possible to conceive. It just means that the couple is OPEN to the gift of a child, and won't do anything by artificial means to cut themselves completely off from that gift.

If you are using natural means of family planning, but are open to the possibility of conception, you could be surprised from time to time, and as a faithful Catholic, you'll accept that child as a gift from God. If you've chosen to block conception by artificial means, you're rejecting, at all times, even the possibility of that gift, and that is sinful.

139 posted on 05/12/2006 10:53:15 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: SuziQ

"THis woman should have talked to her Pastor about this, if not before, then certainly after the babies were born."

I know a couple who asked for advice from a deacon regarding the Church teaching on in-vitro.
They were told it was fine - and good luck with that!

They went ahead with it. Four or five embryos were inserted. Three managed to implant, and one died after a couple of weeks. That makes 2 to 3 dead embryos.
Then...there's the embryos kept frozen in case the procedure didn't work. They are still there after 4 years.
I don't know how many embryos they have in storage, but they don't plan on doing in-vitro again.

Now the husband has regrets and has since learned this was against Church teaching.


140 posted on 05/12/2006 10:56:18 PM PDT by Scotswife
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