Posted on 03/01/2006 10:35:38 AM PST by Full Court
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Tradition catching on with BaptistsProtestants begin to take part in Ash Wednesday for its theological lessons
Wednesday, March 01, 2006
GREG GARRISON News staff writerIt used to be that Baptists had nothing to do with Ash Wednesday, a liturgical holiday they associated with Catholics. No more. "It's a good way of putting the congregation in the right mind-set to prepare for Easter," said the Rev. Christopher Hamlin, pastor of Tabernacle Baptist Church in Smithfield. An ecumenical service at 6:30 tonight at Our Lady Queen of the Universe Catholic Church will include participation by three Baptist churches - Baptist Church of the Covenant and Trinity Baptist, both on Southside, and Tabernacle. "For us to go to the Catholic church, that's something new as Baptists," said the Rev. Sarah Jackson Shelton, the Covenant pastor. "It unites us as the bigger church, and with a larger tradition. ... It's being part of a sacred story that belongs to all of us." Other Baptist churches observe the tradition on their own. Fellowship of the Valley, for example, will have a service at 7 tonight at the Lake Cyrus Clubhouse in Hoover. "It's an appreciation for the symbols of our faith, an opportunity to see, feel and touch those symbols," said the fellowship's pastor, the Rev. Michial Lewis. Lewis said the Reformation of the 1500s, when Martin Luther led a reaction against abuses in the Roman Catholic Church, resulted in rejection of traditions such as Lent by many Protestants. "We do emphasize that our relationship with Christ is through faith alone, and the reformers wanted to avoid the appearance that we gain acceptance with God through rituals or symbols," Lewis said. "Now, people can understand the difference. These symbols come alongside as holy reminders." Robert Hodgson, dean of the Nida Institute for Biblical Scholarship at the American Bible Society in New York City, said many evangelicals are beginning to see the biblical roots of Lent. "Jesus goes into the wilderness for 40 days and disciplines himself with fasting and prayer." The 40 days of Lent are preparation for Easter, when Christians celebrate the resurrection of Jesus. Easter is April 16 this year for more than a billion Western Christians and April 23 for Eastern Orthodox. Baptists are taking an increased interest in the liturgical season for its theological lessons, Shelton said. "It's important for us to take the opportunity to confess our sin." During many Christian observances of Ash Wednesday, the minister rubs ashes on the foreheads of congregants and says, "You are dust and to dust you shall return," quoting a verse from Genesis. The wearing of ashes is prominent in the New Testament with John the Baptist, who called for repentance and wore sackcloth and ashes. "It's the outward, visible symbol of something that's happening internally," Shelton said. "We too will return to ashes," she said. "There's life beyond that, and hope beyond what we experience in this life."
E-mail: ggarrison@bhamnews.com
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Those churches are deader than dead too. I visited a church once that was colder than a morgue and was not surprised one bit when I saw that they left the SBC to join up with the CBF. All we need to remember about the CBF is that is where Jimmy Carter has affiliated himself.
http://www.sbts.edu/mohler/FidelitasRead.php?article=fidel008
Completely normal & you're welcome to come for them.
I don't think it's a fake.
Thanks for the link, very informative.
bttt
You are most welcomed.
There's a "church" down the street from me I call Our Lady Buddha of the Holy Cinema. At least that's its name this month. There are many fun and diverse names that fit.
Luther and Calvin who came out of the Catholic Church didn't have as good of understanding as we do?
Not fake. JUst not referring to this group of Baptists. It likely refers to the Donatists and was in a letter CL "Alberto Bavariae Duci".
Baptistic beliefs have existed throughout all times, even if you can not find a solid trail of "Baptist Churches" back to the original apostles. We weren't called Baptist for one. Second, you can't find today a non diversity of beliefs that you would call "Baptist" today. I mean what is Baptist? Do ALL Baptists believe in biblical inerrancy? Do ALL Baptists believe in conservative values? What about the American Baptists?
But, lest Catholics get on their high horse- despite the fact that there is a Catechism in the Catholic church- does every Catholic denomination believe the same?
History is written by what we have proof of. Much of history is lost because the people living it either couldn't write it down or wrote it on perishable items that weren't preserved. Still, there is a trail (not the famous Trail of Blood which I believe is historically flawed) of beliefs that today's conservative Baptists would gladly hold on to. The Waldenses are one group where Baptists could find many similarities. (particularly around the Reformation) as well as the Petrobrusians. You aren't going to find a one for one semblance there, but if I were to compare the doctrines of Catholicism in say 300 and compare them with today I would see something quite different as well.
Baptists aren't pretestants. Protestants resulted from the Reformation; Baptists preceded the Reformation. (Real Baptists don't "do" Ash Wednesday.)
Amen!
Odd sort of church. It started out as an ECUSA mission, but they are now completely independent.
When we first started considering leaving ECUSA, that was one of the places we visited . . . but no bishop, very mega-church style, and no emphasis on the sacraments, so we rejected that one pretty early on.
Believe it or not, that was one of the books that edged me towards the church. That and Cardinal Newman. Go figure . . .
They started out being quite formal with an ECUSA liturgy (Book of Common Prayer etc.) but in recent years they have become more and more evangelical & charismatic. They tend to mega-church style services with well-choreographed praise choirs and bands, the sermon is more central than the Eucharist.
As I noted above, we considered the church but rejected it early on because we were always very "High Church". In the Diocese of Atlanta, if you're High Church the only place to go is Catholic. The diocese is traditionally "low" and the bishop has just about destroyed the only Anglo-Catholic diocese in Atlanta.
Baptists aren't pretestants. Protestants resulted from the Reformation; Baptists preceded the Reformation.Though Christian history is full of people who, at one time or another, took theological positions that bear some resemblances to modern Baptist beliefs, there is no historic continuity of a community of "Baptists" any earlier than 1600 or so.
Baptists preceded the Reformation that same way that Communists preceded Marx.
But its not Biblical! /sarcasm off.
If you read this Christologically, as the Church always has, you realize that if Christ is the King, his mother is ---- ta-daah! --- the Queen Mother.
Now I'll admit I always wondered --- as a properly democratic American girl with no real connection to monarchy on any level ----whether Mary was just a festival figure like the Northwest Pennsylvania Strawberry Queen, or whether she was a ceremonial regent like Queen Victoria, or whether she was a figure with more personal power like Elizabeth I. However, I have no problem with the insight that if Christ is King the whole family is royal.
Don't we tell our kids they're Sons and Daughters of the King?
Besides, it's God's delight to humble the exalted and exalt the humble. And it would be hard to find anybody more humble than Mary of Galilee. "Behold the handmaid of the Lord. Be it done unto me according to thy word."
Yay! You go, girl.
I appreciate your desire to keep things religiously separate, especially if it's a matter of principle. I can respect that.
However, as a Catholic I have the highest esteem for Baptists (all my Mr. Don-o in-laws are Baptist) and I really love praying with you-all.
I'm thinking, we're family: and Our Father likes to see us drawing nearer to each other as we draw nearer to Him.
Yes, this is where Michael Youseff pastors. He is actually a very good biblical teacher. I do know if I would call it a mega church. It is in a very affluent neighborhood. I do have some very good friends that attend there and we are for the most part in agreement doctrinally. Church of the Apostles is NOT a liberal church.
I'm on staff at In Touch Ministries and at one time we called Leading the Way (Michael Youseff's broadcast ministry) In Touch south. It is amazing how the Lord uses radio and television to reach closed countries with the Gospel! Both ministies are broadcasting in the Middle East.
Lutherans believe in Sola Scriptura and have always observed Lent, Ash Wednesday, etc.
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