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1 posted on 02/07/2006 1:13:12 PM PST by NYer
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Now we're hitting closer to home :-)


2 posted on 02/07/2006 1:13:46 PM PST by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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See also the following related article.

Who Would Take a Case Like This? - Someone Mad as Hell, That's Who

3 posted on 02/07/2006 1:24:06 PM PST by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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4 posted on 02/07/2006 1:28:26 PM PST by Coleus (IMHO, The IVF procedure is immoral & kills many embryos/children and should be outlawed)
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Hoatson undermines himself by not admitting that the predators are themselves mostly homosexuals, so the bishops would be protecting their own, so to speak.


6 posted on 02/07/2006 1:31:42 PM PST by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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lance the boil


8 posted on 02/07/2006 1:36:13 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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That announcement set off a chain of events ending with the so-called White Report, the findings of a private investigation requested by Hubbard and commissioned by diocese's lay review board. Former U.S. prosecutor Mary Jo White, whose name carries great credibility, was paid $770 an hour by the diocese for her four-month inquiry,...... White was paid $2.2 million for a four-month inquiry that ended up clearing Hubbard of all accusations ......

Nice to see how the diocese is spending the widow's mite.

I guess if a diocese has few, if any vocations, and no seminarians to support then there's a few extra dollars kicking around from the Bishop's Annual Appeal. Lawyers are a worthy cause, I guess.

As for the accusations, they're what many of us have thought for a long time and in Hubbard's case, I'd be astounded if he wasn't homosexual. However, these men are entitled to their good name and reputation and I just pray that truth sees the light of day through all of this accusation/counter-accusation mess.

9 posted on 02/07/2006 1:44:05 PM PST by marshmallow
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Let the games begin!


15 posted on 02/07/2006 2:05:07 PM PST by Palladin ("Governor Lynn Swann."...it has a nice ring to it!)
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A homosexual 'marriage' case must be coming up in one of the major courts, or maybe in New York? Someone is trying to strip the Catholic Church of any credibility in the fight against it, just as it did with Cardinal Law in Boston.

Yes, there were a few priests in the Boston Archdiocese who molested kids, and in my opinion, they should have been thrown out on their a$$es when it was first found out. I have no sympathy for abusers and molesters, but at the time of the abuse, in many cases, the kids' PARENTS chose not to pursue justice for them. That was delayed until they were adults themselves, and it was long overdue.

However, I firmly believe the Boston Globe blew the story out of all proportion to the numbers of abusers involved for a reason. I believe it was done to try to keep the Church from being a strong voice against the homosexual marriage decision. The Globe certainly hasn't pursued child molesters from any other institutions with the same fervor.

19 posted on 02/07/2006 2:34:47 PM PST by SuziQ
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Hitting the fan? No?


26 posted on 02/07/2006 3:31:36 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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I'm not at all impressed with his lawsuit or the manner in which he is publicizing it in an article written by the Village Voice. I'd only expect bias from them. This says it all.

"Hoatson's suit could well get quashed before it ever reaches an open courtroom. Yet in the court of public opinion, he may already be winning."

If Hoatson has the goods on these Bishops, he should spill them now for all to see. Hubbard wouldn't surprise me, but Myers? There needs to be proof.

Additionally, all the supporting quotes come from groups and persons not exactly amicable to orthodox Catholic teaching. Richard Sipe, Voice of the Faithful, etc.

Hoatson himself:

"As a 22-year-old seminarian in the Christian Brothers, he says, another brother repeatedly molested him over a four-year period. Several years later, he confided in his superior, who Hoatson says assaulted him as well. "I knew it was abuse," he says, but he never identified it as such until years later."

Huh? A man in his mid-twenties cannot identify that he has been sexually abused until years later?

I'm all for cleaning out the lavender mafia from the Church including those in the Priesthood - meaning Bishops as well - guilty of these deadly sins. Hoatson and Aretakis, if they are honest and truthful about their accusations, need to back them up with the incontestable proof they claim to have so that the Church can move forward, otherwise I have to consider them to be slanderous attacks against the Bishops and the Church with their lawsuits a shill attempt at gaining notoriety.

29 posted on 02/07/2006 3:58:14 PM PST by TotusTuus
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bump


39 posted on 02/07/2006 6:47:42 PM PST by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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"Mary Jo White, whose name carries great credibility..."

...among retarded chimpanzees.


47 posted on 02/07/2006 7:25:06 PM PST by dsc
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It is really ashame the homosexual pedophiles lied, took false vows and used parishioners as a hunting ground.

Those homosexual pedophiles all belong in jail.


60 posted on 02/07/2006 8:28:28 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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A former singer in my church's choir used to say the same about Egan before he became Cardinal. Hmmmmmm....


61 posted on 02/07/2006 8:34:50 PM PST by cyborg (I just love that man.)
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As I just posted, I am suspicious because of Myer's sterling reputation in Peoria. As I read the article, it's clear that this priest has an axe to grind. That doesn't mean his allegations cannot be true, but it sure should raise a red caution flag. Sure, he's filed a lawsuit under his own name. But a deeply angry man who believes he's been wronged might file a lawsuit that has no chance of success because it's based on false claims.

Myers comes into the picture because he is the current archbishop of Newark and he disciplined this priest. If the priest were making false accusations, his having been disciplined would be proper but could set him off on the course he took.

Of course, his allegations against Egan etc. may be true (I don't think the allegations against Hubbard are too surprising to many) and he may have been disciplined unfairly. But the accusations against Myers raise the real possibility that this is a disgruntled man trying to for pay back against Myers.

I think FReepers ought to withhold judgment. Taking these allegations as true at this point strikes me as unwarranted and a form of rash judgment that could involve the sin of detraction.


81 posted on 02/08/2006 6:27:31 AM PST by Dionysiusdecordealcis
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83 posted on 02/08/2006 6:38:21 AM PST by DirtyHarryY2K ("Ye shall know them by their fruits" ;-))
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Based on how Card. Egan has behaved thus far, it wouldn't surprise me in the least. May the late Cardinal O'Connor pray for him.


86 posted on 02/08/2006 7:06:14 AM PST by Antoninus (The only reason you're alive today is because your parents were pro-life.)
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Having read this whole article, it's hard to know who to believe. This guy could be a crack-pot tossing out frivolous accusations and lawsuits in an attempt to further damage the Church.

On the other hand, he said this remarkably non-PC statement:

To stop the abuse, he says, "you have to admit what is going on in the church with its homosexual culture."

This lends some credence to his claims, if you ask me, because it is not likely to win him any friends in the media or among the gay-friendly bureaucrats who run NY and NJ. It is, however, the honest truth.

I say let this go to trial and let the chips fall where they may. It seems obvious to me that Bishop Hubbard is a homosexual and a protector of pedophiles. If Egan and Myers are as well, they need to go. As soon as possible.
90 posted on 02/08/2006 8:08:23 AM PST by Antoninus (The only reason you're alive today is because your parents were pro-life.)
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I'm so shocked.

NOT.


105 posted on 02/08/2006 9:19:23 AM PST by Full Court (Keepers at home, do you think it's optional?)
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My husband is from NYC and said that the Village Voice is very liberal and whacky.

So I wonder if they are just trying to hurt the church.


146 posted on 02/08/2006 1:20:19 PM PST by Sun (Hillary Clinton is pro-ILLEGAL immigration. Don't let her fool you. She has a D- /F immigr. rating.)
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