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Cosmic Fingerprints: Evidence of Design Conference, South Carolina
http://www.reasons.org/events/20060210-11_cosmic_fingerprints.shtml ^

Posted on 01/17/2006 1:40:30 PM PST by truthfinder9

Cosmic Fingerprints: Evidence of Design

RTB Regional Conference February 10-11, 2006 Charleston, SC

Has a testable Creation Model solved the mystery of cosmic beginnings? Does the theory of evolution conflict with the most recent scientific data? World renowned astrophysicist Dr. Hugh Ross and Internationally respected biochemist Dr. Fazale "Fuz" Rana think so. These two scientists have developed a model for creation that is testable, falsifiable and predictive. For the first time in more than 80 years, this innovative approach catapults the evolution/creation debate from science vs. religion to science vs. science.

As currently formulated, popular theories of origins are not falsifiable and make no predictions about future scientific discoveries. Dr.'s Hugh Ross and Fazale Rana, among the world's leading experts in origin of universe and life research, and the RTB team of scholars have developed a theory of creation that embraces the latest scientific advances. It is fully testable, falsifiable, and successfully predicts the current discoveries in origin of universe and life research.

On February 10-11, Dr. Hugh Ross and the Reasons To Believe Scholar Team will present the RTB Scientific Creation Model. Skeptics will find answers to those questions that bar them from being interested in the message of Christianity, and believers will be encouraged by the mounting evidence that points to the God of the Bible. So, whether you are a skeptical inquirer, a seeker, a Christian, or a person of another faith, you'll learn about up-to-the-minute discoveries in the sciences and how they harmonize with God's revelation in the words of the Bible.

More info & register @ http://www.reasons.org/events/20060210-11_cosmic_fingerprints.shtml


TOPICS: Apologetics; Current Events; Ministry/Outreach; Religion & Science; Skeptics/Seekers; Theology
KEYWORDS: astronomy; creation; creationisminadress; crevolist; design; evolution; genesis; god; goddooditamen; religion; rtb; science; superstitiousnuts
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To: wallcrawlr

You know, it's kind of a shame the some of these scientists don't see Intelligent Design every time they look in the mirror. If they don't see themselves as a product of intelligence, well.... It makes me wonder why we should listen to them on other subjects if their judgement is that bad.


21 posted on 01/17/2006 8:16:47 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

You know you have point there..,

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Wolf


22 posted on 01/17/2006 8:25:51 PM PST by RunningWolf (Vet US Army Air Cav 1975)
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To: mlc9852
Look at the same J. Philippe Rushton for an example of what a non-PC world-renowned scientist looks like: [his recent works available online at http://www.ssc.uwo.ca/psychology/faculty/rushton_pubs.htm]. With the article titles like "Thirty years of research on race differences in cognitive ability" if anything, your argument about being so un-PC that he wouldn't be able to publish in peer-reviewed journals would apply to him first and foremost - but "he has published nearly 200 articles. In 1992 the Institute for Scientific Information ranked him the 22nd most published psychologist and the 11th most cited".
23 posted on 01/17/2006 9:56:21 PM PST by GSlob
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To: RaceBannon

See # 23. So much for "censorship".


24 posted on 01/17/2006 10:01:53 PM PST by GSlob
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To: truthfinder9

February, huh? No urgency for these characters.


25 posted on 01/17/2006 10:08:58 PM PST by onedoug
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To: GSlob

1992 is ancient in the scientific world. What has he published recently?


26 posted on 01/18/2006 2:53:41 AM PST by mlc9852
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To: GSlob

Well, he certainly seems to have stopped publishing scholarly work before the time-frame covered by Google Scholar (I checked because his publication list contained exactly five papers--the number the NSF asks you to trim your publication list to, so it was possible that the posted cv was incomplete).

Still, in post 11 silverleaf gave an example of his popular pro-creation work. Perhaps the thread could stop being based on ad hominem centered on the article author's rather silly characterization of Ross as 'world renowned', and discuss content.

The table linked in post 11 is primarily a summary of anthropic cosmology, together with most of the specifics of the 'habitable planets are rare' argument. Ross is neither flogging the usual 'the Bible is true, so we've got to read it the way ordinary post-Enlightenment science and history books are read' argument of the six-day literalists, nor does he seem to be arguing for a 'tinker god' who hand-designs molecular machines. The last few points on Ross's table are actually arguments for the specialness of Earth's environment as a context for evolution!


27 posted on 01/18/2006 5:12:25 AM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: mlc9852

Check the link in # 23. 5 articles in 2005, and a lot of other stuff. None of it particularly PC.


28 posted on 01/18/2006 5:41:15 AM PST by GSlob
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To: The_Reader_David

Popularization work does not a scholar make, nor does it count to scholarly outlook. Popularizers are not scholars per se, and if they are scholars [like Hawking with his "Brief history of time"] it is NOT because of popularizations. And the argument is not quite "ad hominem", for it goes to the root question of the guy's qualifications [and thus credibility] as a scientist. IMHO, as a scientist he is marginal at best.


29 posted on 01/18/2006 5:50:21 AM PST by GSlob
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To: GSlob

On the other hand, fine tuning is not anti-evolution. It is just mind candy for those who want to believe it.


30 posted on 01/18/2006 5:54:57 AM PST by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: GSlob; truthfinder9
"with David L. Block, "Unser Universum: Zufall oder Absicht?" Die Sterne, 68 (1992), pp. 325-339. "

According to wikipedia "Die Sterne" is not a peer-reviewed magazine. "Experts and amateurs can provide article to this magazine."

And according to another source the original article was in English and translated by Gero Rupprecht for publishing it in "Die Sterne". http://www.eso.org/~sdeiries/images/lasillagallery/


I think it's all about that:

Saturday, February 11 Schedule
8:00 A.M. Registration

* Cost
o $35/advanced
o $40/at the door
o $20/students
o includes lunch

Just two more creation story sellers.


I doubt they had something scientific to present. They could easily publish their thoughts on the net. Right beneath the registration form
http://www.reasons.org/events/20060210-11_cosmic_fingerprints.shtml

They only thing they want is to sell their books.
31 posted on 01/18/2006 6:23:59 AM PST by MHalblaub (Tell me in four more years (No, I did not vote for Kerry))
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To: mlc9852

BTW, his '92 ratings I quoted from the cover of one of his books I happened to have at hand. The book was published in the late 90s.


32 posted on 01/18/2006 6:29:20 AM PST by GSlob
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To: MHalblaub

And that's why my knee-jerk response to all biblers is "not a penny".


33 posted on 01/18/2006 6:31:04 AM PST by GSlob
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To: GSlob

You mean, peer-reviewed like that world-renowned Korean stem-cell scientist who just resigned in disgrace? He was peer-reviewed by Science magazine--and he turned out to be a big fake. Looks like peer-review isn't what it's cracked up to be...we may need to peer-review the peer-reviewers.


34 posted on 01/18/2006 7:51:41 AM PST by Mamzelle
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To: Mamzelle

And it was precisely his peers, and not some public advocacy fart, who caught and exposed him. Thus the system IS, indeed, self-policing, and rather effectively.


35 posted on 01/18/2006 8:08:41 AM PST by GSlob
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To: SC Swamp Fox


36 posted on 01/18/2006 8:25:08 AM PST by Between the Lines (Be careful how you live your life, it may be the only gospel anyone reads.)
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To: GSlob

Actually the system failed becuase it's supposed to catch the frauds before they are published. It consistently fails to do do.


37 posted on 01/18/2006 8:32:22 AM PST by truthfinder9
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To: MHalblaub

"I doubt they had something scientific to present. They could easily publish their thoughts on the net."

They have put a lot of it on the internet. But most of the world doesn't want to sit around reading book-length discussions on a computer screen. Hence the reason book stores still make millions of dollars.

"They only thing they want is to sell their books."

That's just a stupid unfounded statement.


38 posted on 01/18/2006 8:34:42 AM PST by truthfinder9
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To: The_Reader_David

"Ross is neither flogging the usual 'the Bible is true, so we've got to read it the way ordinary post-Enlightenment science and history books are read' argument of the six-day literalists, nor does he seem to be arguing for a 'tinker god' who hand-designs molecular machines. The last few points on Ross's table are actually arguments for the specialness of Earth's environment as a context for evolution!"

Ross details why "six-day literalists" aren't literal at all in books like "A Matter of Days." In his books he does detail the unique and sudden appearance of compex life forms. Using the uniqueness of Earth to point to evolution would be a big stretch because according to chance, evolution should have never produced such a world. See Ross' "A Creator and the Cosmos."


39 posted on 01/18/2006 8:38:19 AM PST by truthfinder9
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To: The_Reader_David

Intelligence is a good conversation. But the Universe is more than just ID'd it is Scientifically Designed. For so many may of its truths are discovered by using what has come to be called in today's era "Science". So to say I suggest "Scientifc Design" as a better moniker.


40 posted on 01/18/2006 8:38:39 AM PST by bvw
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