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Posted on 01/02/2006 7:39:23 PM PST by gregwest
CHESAPEAKE - A 21-year-old Mormon missionary died Monday night after he and his partner were shot while going door-to-door in the Deep Creek area.
The other missionary, age 19, was in serious condition at Sentara Norfolk General Hospital Monday night, Chesapeake police said.
Police did not release the victims’ identities.
According to police the two missionaries were walking in the 2600 block of Elkhart Street off George Washington Highway about 6 p.m. when they were approached by another man. The man shot them both and fled on foot.
One of the victims ran to The Charity House, a nearby nursing home, to seek help.
Police described the suspect as a black male, about 5’10’’ wearing a black hooded sweatshirt and jeans. He was last seen heading toward Janice Lynn Court, which backs up to Elkhart.
The two missionaries had bicycles, but were not riding them at the time.
A group from the Mormon church, known as the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, waited in the consultation room at the Norfolk General emergency room Monday night. They declined to comment.
According to the church’s official web site there are more than 60,000 Mormon missionaries, mostly young men and women who volunteer to spread the church’s message for one and a half to two years all over the world, at their own expense.
There are apartment buildings at the end of Elkhart Street, and some residents could not leave or return to their homes for a time Monday night.
Police, working in a moderate rain, had the street blocked off a short way off George Washington Highway.
“This is close to home,’’ said resident Bobby Gatling. He has lived on the block for two years. “Nothing like this has ever happened here before.’’
Anyone with information about this incident is asked to call the Crime Line at 1-888-LOCK-U-UP.
Reach Jim Washington at (757) 446-2536 or jim.washington@pilot online.com.
Um, because it's a translation, and Joseph Smith decided to use King James English when he did the translating. Sheesh.
All Christian sects teach works as part of salvation. Some require baptism (a work). All require some sort of sinners prayer asking the Lord for forgiveness and accepting Christ as Savior (a work). All teach that saved Christians must follow the teachings of Christ (a work).
The only ones who truly duck the works label are the hard-core Calvinists who view God as a puppet master pulling the strings of his "saved" puppets, forcing them to acknowledge Him and then live lives dedicated to Him. Thos are a tiny, tiny minority of Christians. Everyone else requires mankind to do some sort of work for salvation, even if it is nothing more than saying a "sinner's prayer" to accept Christ.
I always get a little chuckle out of hearing folks like Dr. Charles Stanley talk about doing works, but ducking around the actual phrase by using various euphemisms that mean essentially the same thing. I think they've painted themselves into a theological corner and are trying to dance their way out of it without appearing to do so.
Personally, I'm not quite so eager to tell God He's said enough and to shut up.
Well, since it's safe to assume that Joseph Smith, being brought up in a very religious family and having read the Bible regularly and interested in matters of Christianity, knew full well that Jesus was born in Bethlehem, the question to ask then becomes, why did he say At Jerusalem instead of the obvious Bethlehem?
The next question to ask then becomes, why haven't you asked the first question?
Obviously only a scratch. You've got a long way to go before you can be considered "scrupulous".
Since your post was deleted before I saw it I can only assume your "facts" are like all the other anti-mormon "facts"....WRONG, and nothing more than gratuitous assertions, which can be just as gratuitously denied. Consider your assertions DENIED.
BTW, it is YOUR version of the Gospel that is wrong, YOU are the apostate. See how easy it is?
All Christian sects teach works as part of salvation. Some require baptism (a work). All require some sort of sinners prayer asking the Lord for forgiveness and accepting Christ as Savior (a work). All teach that saved Christians must follow the teachings of Christ (a work).
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Great points! I will have to remember them for the next time I get into the works versus faith argument.
So I just want to make sure I understand correctly. We can know for a surety that the young man who was out trying to encourage people to improve their lives through prayer, scripture study, and developing a relationship with Christ is going to hell and the man who shot him, if he had accepted Christ, is going to heaven. Sounds about right.
I lived the last 15 years in this area, and just recently moved a few miles south of the state line in NC (I still work in VA). Stuff like this is exactly why I chose to move my family this past year. Nothing shocks me about that place anymore. Chesapeake and Va Beach are becoming more like Norfolk and Portsmouth everyday. Even Suffolk has gone downhill. We had problems with drug dealers in my former neighborhood and we couldn't get anything done about it, so we left.
I think my point is that while it is a travesty that these young men were shot while doing their missionary duties, I think it had nothing to do with religion, just the fact that Hampton Roads is becoming loaded with more and more low-life gang-bangers that have no respect for human life at all.
I am afraid you have it seriously wrong.
"I would like to think not, but after being invited to see a viewing of the "Godmakers" and hearing the teens around me talking about getting a shotgun and killing Mormons by the end of the film, you have to wonder."
That is awful. Did they do it? Do you have a link to the story?
Uh, no, it was a "revelation" given to smith by an Angel of God.
So out of the ballpark as to adhering to the Bible, it is sad.
Read Galatians, babe.
Ain't that the way it works...He said, they said. And thus hate doth make fools of us all, and the devil gets a big laugh.
Not Mormon, but I do live in Utah. Bountiful is such a pretty town. So different from where the boys were doing their mission. The youngest is the same age as one of my sons. The fact that people used this as an occasion to bash a faith they disagree with shows what they are filled with. They should be praying for the injured boy and the families and friends of those impacted by this.
Why did Smith say "At Jerusalem" instead of Bethlehem as the birthplace of Jesus when he was supposedly delivering the true word of God from the Holy Spirit?
Obviously because he was not delivering a true revelation of God.
God ties things up for us. He is the God of all history. His word is forever. He would never make such a drastic error -- with all its Old and New Testament implications of such an error. Jerusalem is quite a big difference from the little town of Bethlehem.
I doubt they did it, but the hate was palpable in the room. This was in an Assemblies of God church (Foursquare Church of Christ). My friend was trying to save my soul. I appreciated her concern over my welfare, but the film was evil propaganda at its ugliest, designed to foment nothing but hate against a specific people.
Auntie honey
Nice to throw big words like Apostate around, but I didn't write the Book Of Mormon. All I did was point out where the Book of Mormon doesn't line up with the Bible.
Show yourself approved, as Jesus said, with the Word -- don't attack me personally. It is against FR rules.
Try again. It was a translation. The ability to translate was provided by God, but the translation was done by Joseph Smith; he didn't take dictation.
Oh, so the translation while Joseph Smith was wearing the magic glasses of the buried and never found tablets with the book of Mormon written in Egyptian hieroglyphics was actually,
somehow,
written in Hieroglyphics from Egypt but
happened to be written in King James English?
Huh?
I'd like to see the magic glasses, while you're at it. What did Smith say happened to them?
Your arrogance is repulsive.
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