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Benedict XVI Publishes Synod's Recommendations
Zenit News Agency ^ | October 23, 2005

Posted on 10/23/2005 4:47:05 PM PDT by NYer

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1 posted on 10/23/2005 4:47:07 PM PDT by NYer
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To: american colleen; Lady In Blue; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; ...


2 posted on 10/23/2005 4:48:17 PM PDT by NYer (“Socialism is the religion people get when they lose their religion")
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To: NYer
I would like to see Prop. 23 implemented as soon as possible.
3 posted on 10/23/2005 5:36:29 PM PDT by ejo
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To: Pyro7480; jrny
Proposition 2 refers to the "beneficial influence that the liturgical reform implemented since the Second Vatican Council has had for the life of the Church."

LOL! The bishops are in a serious state of denial. I think even Benedict XVI disagrees with this proposition.

4 posted on 10/23/2005 5:37:57 PM PDT by ELS (Vivat Benedictus XVI!)
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To: ELS

Makes me think of that oldies song that goes:

"...the only trouble is, Gee Wiz, I'm dreaming my life away...Dreeaammmmm, Dream, Dream, Dream, Drreeammmm!....."

Seriously, the current generation of bishops (the establishment in power, generally between 60 and 80 years of age currently) has too much invested in the liturgical "reforms" of Post-V2. We have to wait until the new generation of bishops comes to power for anything positive to result, despite having a good Poper and a few good bishops. Grand scale results will not happen under this current crop of bishops. The new generation will be able to OBJECTIVELY look at Vatican II and its aftermath and make non-emotional judgments concerning these matters.


5 posted on 10/23/2005 5:46:23 PM PDT by jrny (Oremus pro Pontifice nostro Benedicto Decimo Sexto.)
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To: ejo

Abolish that hand shaking nonsense during mass completely! Save it for the parking lot after mass!


6 posted on 10/23/2005 7:48:05 PM PDT by Macoraba
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To: Macoraba

Anyone who thinks Vatican II's impact was positive has rocks in his/her head.


7 posted on 10/23/2005 9:19:48 PM PDT by JohnRoss (We need a real conservative in 2008)
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To: ejo

>> I would like to see Prop. 23 implemented as soon as possible. <<

Banning bilingual education? O, not THAT Proposition 23.


8 posted on 10/23/2005 11:13:02 PM PDT by dangus
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To: ejo; Macoraba

"I would like to see Prop. 23 implemented as soon as possible."

It would appear that this applies only to the western church. The eastern churches have different practices. I think the Maronites do exchange the sign of peace with the congregation, but starting with the celebrants and spreading from there.

In other eastern Catholic churches, shaking hands is generally reserved for before and after Divine Liturgy. It's not part of the liturgy, except (I think) if there are co-celebrants, then the sign of peace is exchanged by them.


9 posted on 10/24/2005 2:31:33 AM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Lord Jesus Christ, son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.)
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To: jrny

"The new generation will be able to OBJECTIVELY look at Vatican II and its aftermath and make non-emotional judgments concerning these matters."

The process in the eastern Catholic churches will happen a lot faster. Keep in mind that the VII document drafted for the eastern churches was drastically different than the one for the western church.

I can see how this objective review process will work out in the eastern Catholic churches: Q:"Hey, what do you think about Orientalium Ecclesiarum?" A: "We like it." (as they go back to eating pirogies) :-)


10 posted on 10/24/2005 2:37:52 AM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Lord Jesus Christ, son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.)
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To: NYer

Unmentioned in the article is a proposal to use LATIN as the major language of the Mass at 'international gatherings,' with vernacular only for readings.

2-to-1 majority in favor.

Heh.


11 posted on 10/24/2005 7:56:51 AM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, Tomas Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: ELS

You're right. But B-16 can begin with "...over the years, there have been some beneficial effects..." and get to the "BUT" clause rather easily.


12 posted on 10/24/2005 7:58:02 AM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, Tomas Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: Macoraba

Curiously, the "peace" stuff IS rooted in the Old Rite, at the same place. However, it was restricted to far more formal and ceremonious procedures, with the greeting of peace being given to the Faithful by a sub-deacon.

There was no ambling about, nor hugs, handshakes, prattle, or la-dee-da...


13 posted on 10/24/2005 8:00:20 AM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, Tomas Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: ninenot
Having been in the Curia for more than 20 years, he has had plenty of time to master romanità.
14 posted on 10/24/2005 8:25:24 AM PDT by ELS (Vivat Benedictus XVI!)
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To: NYer
Proposition 2 refers to the "beneficial influence that the liturgical reform implemented since the Second Vatican Council has had for the life of the Church."

That proposition gives doubt to the rest of the project.

15 posted on 10/24/2005 9:39:04 AM PDT by pgkdan
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To: Macoraba
Abolish that hand shaking nonsense during mass completely! Save it for the parking lot after mass!

And please...ban hand holding during The Lord's Prayer!!! I always fold my hands in prayer during The Lord's Prayer and 99.9% of the people understand that to mean that I don't want to hold their hand but the woman standing next to me tried three times to take my hand until I finally had to say NO in a fairly loud voice. What gall.

I despise that posture...especially when they all raise their hands at the conclusion, it's just ridiculous.

16 posted on 10/24/2005 9:43:28 AM PDT by pgkdan
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To: Macoraba
"Abolish that hand shaking nonsense during mass completely! Save it for the parking lot after mass!"

I'm with you! I cringe every time the "peace" happens, since it always seems to turn into a huge touchy-feely thing that seems totally inappropriate for Mass. Takes the focus off Christ and onto ourselves.
17 posted on 10/24/2005 12:22:03 PM PDT by Convert from ECUSA (Not a nickel, not a dime, no more money for Hamastine!)
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To: NYer
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18 posted on 10/24/2005 8:26:23 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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Wow! These two I really like:

Proposition 6 emphasized Eucharistic adoration, and No. 7 emphasizes the relationship between the Eucharist and confession, and underlines that "the worthy reception of the Eucharist calls for the state of grace."

19 posted on 10/24/2005 8:27:35 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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**Proposition 11 addresses the challenge of the "scarcity of priests," stating that recourse to the theory of priestly ordination of "viri probati," ordaining married men, "was evaluated as a course not to be followed."

Priest promoters

The synod requests that pastors "promote priestly vocations."

In particular, it invites priests "not to be afraid to propose to youths the radicalism of following of Christ" and "to sensitize families, which is some cases are indifferent if not downright opposed" to their son following a priestly vocation.

The proposition encourages the cultivation of "prayer for vocations in all communities and ecclesial realms."**

Excellent!


20 posted on 10/24/2005 8:28:53 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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