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When Sad Day Comes, Eyes of World Will Be on Papal Selection [How next Pope will be chosen]
SpiritDaily.com ^ | 04-01-05 | SpiritDaily.com

Posted on 04/01/2005 8:26:04 PM PST by Salvation

WHEN SAD DAY COMES, EYES OF WORLD WILL BE ON PAPAL SELECTION AS NEVER BEFORE

When, God forbid, the Pope leaves this earth, it will kick into play a process of selection that promises to be the most important crossroads for the Church since Vatican II.

Fortunately, John Paul II again has defied morbid expectations, and with God's grace, will spiritually lead the Church for a good while yet; his mere presence is the important thing; he doesn't need to talk or administer. And when he does leave this planet, he will be a yet greater intercessor.

But as with anyone who is his age, and with his infirmities, the questions about what may happen when he is gone are understandable. He will be happy -- but how happy will be those he leaves behind? Will the next Pope stay the course, will he go right down the line with John Paul II's ecumenical (and at the same time conservative) course, or veer toward modernism? Will he be as mystical as John Paul II or of a more institutional bent? Will he be prone to further modernizing the liturgy, or will he turn the Church back toward the Latin Mass? Will he maintain the Church's strict celibacy restriction for priests, or allow priests to marry?

Those questions as yet have no answers and for that reason when the day comes to choose a new Pope, Catholics worldwide will cast a more intense eye on the selection process -- on every nuance of the process -- than ever before, with the media from all aspects of every culture joining in the public glare. It will be the most famous passing in centuries.

There will also be the prophetic component: many are those who believe that John Paul II's death will be a watershed, followed by major world events that his mere presence (the power of his pontificate, and indeed his prayers) have held in abeyance. Expect interesting events and dates to be associated with his birth into the eternal.

How will the next pontiff be chosen?

When the sad and great day of Karol Wojytyla's passing comes, the process will be something like this: after the medical technicians are through, a cardinal will verify his death by calling the Pope's name three times. When there is no response, the Pope is pronounced dead. The cardinal must then authorize a death certificate and make the event public.

That's done by notifying the Cardinal Vicar for the Diocese of Rome, who then arranges for the papal seal to be broken.

After this, he must prepare for the papal funeral and the nine days of mourning which follow. After fifteen to twenty days of sermons, the Cardinal Electors enter the Conclave to choose which cardinal will be the next Pope. The cardinals first must take an oath when entering the Conclave. The oath states that they will follow the rules given by the Pope and will be secret about the voting and deliberations. The penalty for breaking the oath given in the Conclave is automatic and immediate excommunication.

The word "conclave" comes from the Latin phrase cum clavis, meaning "with key." The term is suitable since the cardinals are locked inside the Sistine Chapel during the voting process. A conclave begins no earlier than 15 days and no later than twenty days after the Pope's death.

The Cardinals are seated around the walls of the chapel, where they are given a ballot of paper. After they have placed a name on their ballot, they proceed to turn the ballots in, one by one. Each rectangular ballot is inscribed at the top with the words, Eligo in Summum Pontificem, meaning "I elect as supreme pontiff." Below these words, each cardinal writes down the name of the person he chooses as the pope. The Cardinal Camerlango and his three assistants then count the votes. After they are counted the ballots are all burned together to give off smoke.

"This smoke is white if a new Pope has been elected, and black if not," notes one research service. "For one to be elected Pope, any Cardinal must receive more than two-thirds of the votes. Once the Cardinal has received the votes, the Dean of the College of Cardinals asks him to accept his election. If he accepts he is then asked what name he wishes to be called; the cardinal then becomes the Pontifex Maximus, the Holy Roman Pontiff. He is then pledged obedience to by the other cardinals. Then the news is given his pontifical clericals. The Dean of the College of Cardinals walks out on the main balcony of the chapel and declares to the world: 'We have a Pope.'"

We review this because, when the time comes, whether this year or two years from now or more years (hopefully) into the future, we will need to pray about the process, and it helps in prayer to know such details.

At any rate: after the election (will he be deeply prayerful? will he be European? will he be from Africa? will he be an insider or an outsider?), the newly appointed Pope will step out on the balcony and deliver his "Apostolic Blessing to the World."

And with that he will begin a new era -- one that promises to be one of the most tumultuous times in all of history.

[see also: On papal suffering and God's power and Photo of John Paul at hospital Mass]

[resources: The Last Secret]



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>When Sad Day Comes, Eyes of World Will Be on Papal Selection [How next Pope will be chosen]

Wasn't there an old
prophecy that said this Pope
or the very next

would be the last Pope?
Does anyone remember
what I'm thinking of?

21 posted on 04/02/2005 7:23:38 AM PST by theFIRMbss
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To: theFIRMbss

I've seen that here on FR a number of times but can't remember what it referred to.


22 posted on 04/02/2005 7:27:25 AM PST by bonfire
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To: Desdemona
**One girl insisted that the period of mourning was 4-6 days.**

If I am correct -- I think it is nine days of funerals.

23 posted on 04/02/2005 7:29:50 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation
If I am correct -- I think it is nine days of funerals.

I know, but when people consider The DaVinci Code to be a legitimate source of information, they get a little confused.

24 posted on 04/02/2005 7:32:43 AM PST by Desdemona
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To: theFIRMbss; bonfire

Not the last Pope but the next to last. I'll ping you with a link.


25 posted on 04/02/2005 7:32:57 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: theFIRMbss; bonfire
Malachy
26 posted on 04/02/2005 7:36:04 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: bonfire

Not so much "the secrecy" although it is secret.

But more to remove all wordly interferences and thoughts from the minds and hearts of the Cardinals, thus letting the Holy Spirit be the lone guide of their choice.


27 posted on 04/02/2005 7:38:20 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation

Thank you. Makes sense.

Praying for this Pope and the next.


28 posted on 04/02/2005 7:39:37 AM PST by bonfire
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To: theFIRMbss; bonfire

A note on this prophecy:

A lot of people put stock in it.

While others grant it no credibility at all.

Where is the answer? Probably somewhere in the middle.


29 posted on 04/02/2005 7:40:32 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation; bonfire

30 posted on 04/02/2005 7:44:56 AM PST by theFIRMbss
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To: bonfire

Thanks for the prayers.


31 posted on 04/02/2005 7:46:02 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation

Here is the link to the complete text: http://www.societyholytrinity.org/Ecclesiastical%20Ballot.pdf.

I have participated in this process several times within this Society and for the election of a Synodical Bishop. It is profoundly moving.


32 posted on 04/02/2005 8:08:01 AM PST by lightman (The Office of the Keys should be exercised as some ministry needs to be exorcised.)
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To: Siobhan

Arinze has been playing a pretty serious political game lately. Numerous commentaries have taken note how he uses current events as a springboard to pronounce exhortations toward traditionalism, even though in the past he had been known to say things that would encourage liberation from those same traditional principles. They accuse him, therefore, to be "posturing for papal election."

Ratzinger on the other hand, is a much more frightening prospect. He seems to be the kind of man who would take inside opportunities to advance his personal agenda in this interim time of weakness of the Pope. The media reports that cardinals and bishops have been appointed in the last few days, and that the Pope has accepted the resignation of several. How can we be sure these are specifically the intention of the current Pope? We have to trust those who surround him.

We are trusting those who surround JPII with the full power of the Roman Pontiff. The Papal tradition is deeply rooted in Roman tradition. In ancient Rome, when the emperor died, his ring was removed and crushed so that nobody could use his ring to mark the seal ("bulla") of the deceased emperor on their own documents. That is still the tradition with popes. He dies, his ring is removed and crushed. The new pope will have a new ring that is custom made for him.

It is said that Caligula, after suffocating Tiberius with a pillow, stole the signet ring off his finger and announced that Tiberius had appointed him the next emperor!

The time ahead is indeed likely to be tumultuous. I pray the office of the Pope will be protected against fraudulent activity by those near him who, having been dissatisfied with his policies so far, would now attempt to advance their own agenda.

Examples:
Contraception, ordination of women, euthanasia, abortion, state sponsored "mercy killing," demythologising Scripture, elimination of miracles as a requirement for sainthood, and Modernism in the Church.

Some would argue that this Pope has advanced some of these issues and others, in the Church, instead of protecting the Church against them. This side of the debate seems to be ignored by the media, which has focused on the liberal side of the question.

St. Pio and St. Joseph, pray for the Pope in these, his apparently final hours.


33 posted on 04/02/2005 8:27:30 AM PST by donbosco74 (Sancte Padre Pio, ora pro nobis, nunc et in hora mortis nostrae, Amen.)
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To: donbosco74

Sadly, I do not trust Cardinal Sodano. I do not trust him at all. It is the interregnum that worries me the most.


34 posted on 04/02/2005 8:34:25 AM PST by Siobhan (Theresa Marie Schindler, Martyr for the Gospel of Life, pray for us.)
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To: Desdemona

The nine days, or novendiales of masses, is a tradition dating back to ancient Rome, just as is the crushing of the Papal ring. It was accorded to Roman citizens from antiquity.

However, in the past 40 years, as with many other things, there have been numerous changes to the ancient tradition.


35 posted on 04/02/2005 8:35:28 AM PST by donbosco74 (Sancte Padre Pio, ora pro nobis, nunc et in hora mortis nostrae, Amen.)
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To: donbosco74

Let us pray that by the intercession of St. Joseph, Padre Pio Santo and now dear Sr. Lucia of Fatima that what has been despoiled will be restored.


36 posted on 04/02/2005 8:37:58 AM PST by Siobhan (Theresa Marie Schindler, Martyr for the Gospel of Life, pray for us.)
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To: Siobhan

I think it is interesting that the silence that Sodano imposed on Sr. Lucy of Fatima is now being imposed on the Holy Father by God.

I think it is interesting that the worldwide attention on a corrupt Florida judicial system has not yet passed, while the same kind of controversy would be raised regarding the Vicar of Christ on earth.

The former events are separated by months, the latter, contemporaneous events, are separated only by blindness.


37 posted on 04/02/2005 8:41:36 AM PST by donbosco74 (Sancte Padre Pio, ora pro nobis, nunc et in hora mortis nostrae, Amen.)
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To: donbosco74
How can we be sure these are specifically the intention of the current Pope?

We can't.

38 posted on 04/02/2005 8:46:35 AM PST by murphE (Never miss an opportunity to kiss the hand of a holy priest.)
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To: donbosco74

I doubt that there will be any changes in this tradition.


39 posted on 04/02/2005 8:50:22 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Straight Vermonter

Interesting. I hope they select someone from Africa, someone who can appreciate the need to stand against Islamic Jihad.


40 posted on 04/02/2005 8:56:38 AM PST by jocon307 (We can try to understand the New York Times effect on man)
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