Posted on 03/11/2005 5:37:50 PM PST by sionnsar
WENHAM, MA (3/11/2005)--The homoerotic bishop of New Hampshire V. Gene Robinson told parishioners at Christ Church of Hamilton and Wenham that while Jesus was on this earth he was only in the company of men, his disciples, and referenced that Jesus talked about the "one he loved," implying that Jesus may have been a homosexual himself.
Speaking at a Lenten service on "Homosexuality and the Body of Christ: Is There a New Way?" Robinson pleaded for his hearers to accept his homosexuality and asked, "Who could know Jesus?" and therefore we should accept him [Robinson]. "Jesus was not terribly mainstream."
"The sooner we get away from labels like gay and straight and that dualism…the truth is there are as many sexualities, plural, as there are sexualities in the world. There are as many sexualities as there are human beings," he told his listeners. "Labels are not helpful."
Robinson said there were an enormous variety of sexualities. "What matters to me is mutual non-exploitative sex, love of self and love of neighbor. It is about hearts not body parts. We must have infinite respect for one another and radical respect for the world."
Asked by a parishioner how we teach people about sexuality with the Bible saying that marriage is a sacrament between a man and a woman, furthermore what was the basis for adding on new sexualities, Robinson said, "it is a big question; it is whether or not sex is God's gift or a Pandora's Box? Is it a blessing or a curse?"
Physical intimacy outside of a trustworthy relationship is madness, dangerous and wrong, he said.
Robinson said the message conveyed to most people was that 'sex is dirty save it for someone you love'. "I believe in abstinence before marriage or outside in a committed relationship. Our nakedness is a metaphor for how vulnerable we are. The church's teaching of sex outside of marriage is that you will be hurt unless there is a vulnerability or proven trustworthiness over time. We must respect the dignity of every human being. Marriage is a sacrament, a place where God can show up."
Questioned on how we distinguish between the church and world's view of sexuality and the enormous destruction it caused flowing from the 60s experimentation of our children with anything goes…as long as we love each other, Robinson explained that not anything goes. "We need to demonstrate real love. The world knows that the church practices serial monogamy. We need to walk the talk. What are not right are brief encounters. I don’t hear anybody preaching for promiscuity."
"My daughter wound up living with someone before marrying him. What I tried to do was keep an open conversation going with her and I had the opportunity to talk with her. I did not approve of anything goes, but nothing she did could separate my love for her. I don’t think setting down rules is helpful. I gave her an 'I' statement about what has been hurtful for me."
When asked how one could tell the difference between the ministry of the Holy Spirit and the authority of Holy Scripture or Malcolm's repressed desires, even leaving aside the seven Scriptures that speak against homosexuality or pleading subjectivism, Robinson said the key was community.
"No one of us can hear the voice of the Holy Spirit; it must be tested by the community. No one should be absolutely convinced that they know the will of God. We do the best we can to discern God's voice. Let's see if it bears fruit. Right now we are hearing different things. I believe [Archbishop] Akinola and I will be in heaven together. We may be apart here [on earth]. He is following the journey as far as he knows how and as I know how. We are going to be in heaven together, God won't have it any other way. We need some patience while we figure this out. We are each being as faithful as we can muster."
Pushed about how we knew whether we were being lead by the Holy Spirit or our own egos, Robinson said the key was "community."
Questioned about why the worldwide Anglican Communion based its teaching on Scripture, and can we set aside the teachings of the church as it has been handed down for new untested knowledge, Robinson said sexual orientation was determined by age 3 certainly well before it is a chosen orientation. It is a given; the lives of gays and lesbians are the new evidence for that. Look at the pain they have suffered at the hands of the church. He said gays and lesbians were jumping off buildings because nobody understood them.
When asked what new knowledge he possessed and what was his source of his authority that a homosexual relationship can be blessed and have we reached a parting of the ways, Robinson replied by asking how many of his listeners had been divorced and remarried. "The seven biblical texts do not apply to the contemporary issue today. We must separate civil rights from religious rites. Marriage is a civil right, and there is marriage as a religious rite.
Traditional Anglican ping, continued in memory of its founder Arlin Adams.
O.M.G..... I would not want to be him on judgement day. Does he really think he can get away with defaming Jesus and not bring the wrath of God upon himself.
Sheesh...Jesus was a carpenter, not an interior designer.
Wait, I just learned that Jesus was secretly married to Mary Magdeline, and now he's a homosexual.
these people need to just PICK ONE!!!
Sionnsar, I am continually sickened by the proclamations of "Vicky" Robinson. What a selfish man, to have ruined the church over the vindication of his own aberrant lifestyle.
"We are going to be in heaven together, God won't have it any other way."
An ancient heresy (Universal Salavation), held by Origen interestingly enough and condemned by The Church at the 2nd Council of Constantinople in 553. The old heresies just keep popping up in these times.
Being preached to about sexual morality by this wife cheating bishop is like being lectured in sanitation habits by Typhoid Mary.
Absolutely nothing new under the sun, including heresies.
LOL! I was just reading the Taglinicus Free Republicus thread, if you could shorten that a little I think you've got a winner.
Is that an answer to the question?
Ha!@
Bishop Robinson makes my teeth AND HAIR hurt.
<< The sooner we get away from labels like gay and straight ... >>
Goodness me!
I find myself in agreement with Mr Robinson.
Let's straight away drop the useage of such misleading words from usage within such context as that promulgated by the said Mr Robinson and revert to "deviant," and "degenerate" and "depraved" and "sodomist" and "sodomy" and "abomination" -- and the like.
And "normal" for every other one of us!
Blessings -- B A
Exactly what I was thinking.
Bookmarking, because I can't believe this really says what it says---will rest my poor eyes and try again later...
I've a question for anyone on these threads who is still in ECUSA. Is it the teaching of the ECUSA that Universal Salvation is a true doctrine? It seems that that man Robinson thinks so and I seem to remember that one of the other ECUSA or Anglican bishops somewhere said the other day that if they couldn't ordain practicing homosexuals, they couldn't baptize people which is a variant on the same theme since it seems to deny the reality of unrepentant and continuing sin. If this is so, that ECUSA?Anglicanism accepts the heresy of Universal Salvation, then all the rest of what we are seeing in ECUSA falls rather nicely into place and is both internally and externally consistent.
Anyway, if anyone knows, I'd appreciate hearing about it.
1Jo 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and observe His commandments.
1Jo 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome.
2Jo 1:5 Now I ask you, lady, not as though I were writing to you a new commandment, but the one which we have had from the beginning, that we love one another.
2Jo 1:6 And this is love, that we walk according to His commandments. This is the commandment, just as you have heard from the beginning, that you should walk in it.
The individual diocese are how the Episcopal church is made up. The national church (ECUSA) is self destructing, not conservative diocese and parishes.
As for the liberal Dr. Williams, he too will be weeded out.
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