WOMEN IN MINISTRY: A BIBLICAL VISION

The Wesley Theological Journal ^ | Spring 96 | Sharon Clark Pearson

[xzins]

Very long article, but interesting reading.

[ScottM1968]

We are all called to be "ministers." Men are to be the spiritual leaders of the home. When capable men are not around, women must step up to teach children. However, men are not to be subordinated to women in regards to teaching.

[P-Marlowe]

Very long article, but interesting reading.

Do you have the reader's digest version?

[xzins]

I would encourage you to read the article. See especially the section "Women in the early church"

[xzins]

:>)

How 'bout Publisher's Clearing House (Someone "clean house" over here!)

Read the section "Women in the early church"

[P-Marlowe]

However, men are not to be subordinated to women in regards to teaching.

Could you explain what you mean by subordinated?

Does that mean that a woman with superior knowledge cannot biblically impart that knowledge to a man?

[P-Marlowe]

Read the section "Women in the early church"

That's the longest part.

[Californiajones]

Will read later -- any way you can take out those annoying hyphens? But thank you again for the post.

[rwfromkansas]

Nice liberal article.

There is no evidence any woman held position of pastor.

[rwfromkansas]

It is just the same old song and dance attempt to support women pastors.

According to the article, because Jesus and the early Christians held women in higher esteem than society at that time, it means women pastors is fine.

Women having roles as deacons in Scripture also supposedly mean women can be pastors.

These are about the only arguments women minister supporters got! And they repeat them, with slight twists, thinking it will hoodwink people.

Until you can prove to me that women led the early church and in Scripture, I will laugh at these articles. The fact that women held smaller roles means nothing.

[P-Marlowe]

Just out of curiosity rw, do you have a problem with women teaching and publicly correcting men in matters of doctrine and theology in a public setting like Free Republic? Be honest.

[LiteKeeper]

Does that mean that a woman with superior knowledge cannot biblically impart that knowledge to a man?

No, it means that a woman is not to be in a position of authority over a man. I have learned many valuable lessons from authors who are wommen, but I am not to be under the authority of a woman. BTW - the principle here is that teaching is to carry some authority with it. Teaching without authority is a waste of time and breath.

[P-Marlowe]

No, it means that a woman is not to be in a position of authority over a man.

What is meant by "authority"? Does the impartation of knowledge place the imparter in a position of authority over the impartee?

In your opinion what offices would a woman be forbidden to take in a church organization?

[xzins]

Again, I encourage you to read the article, especially the "women in the early church section." There is information in it that is useful far beyond this discussion.

Besides, I think this lady is fair in her summaries and choices.

I can only encourage you to check it out.

[ScottM1968]

"Let the women learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression." I Tim 2:11-14

This is addressed in the article. The article's author attempts to sum up the legitimacy of his position with the following: "Yet, the complexity and difficulty of the passage is mirrored in the disagreement it evokes among even conservative scholars." The author eventually finds himself with no final basis save for four possible interpretations 'here' and a few more options 'over here.' It seems we can apparently assume the author considers himself a "liberal."

With Titus 1:5-16 describing why only the most blameless men (and only men) must be elders, I do not understand why we cannot hold all men to the status of the spiritual leaders of God's own house.

Does this mean that women cannot impart scriptural wisdom and knowledge upon men from time to time? No. But to be put into a semipermanent position of such authority is not specifically allowed in Scripture.

[ScottM1968]

I stand corrected in one aspect of my prior answer.

The author apparently is a women.

It is in her selfish interest to interpret in this way, I might add.

[xzins]

What you call her summary of the verse is actually an introduction to it. You would do well to read more in the section "women in the early church."

This is a Nazarene Church theological site. I doubt that the lady is a liberal. She is relying extensively on scripture, and she appears to take it very seriously.

But, then again, I'm Methodist so I've run across REAL theological liberals just about weekly for years....most folks in evangelicalism see an open-minded conservative and only think they've just seen a liberal.

[xzins]

Ping to article.

[N3WBI3]

It either is inappropriate to address this question to the Biblical materials, argues this position, or these materials are inade­quate for the task. The question of women in institutionalized ministry is seen as foreign to Scripture, and/or the instruction of Scripture is deter­mined to be of limited value in the debate (irrelevant or impossibly cul­ture bound

I have not yet read the whole thing but if you are not leading your church by scripture why bother defrocking a lesbian, child molester???