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Carey tour adds to US fears of gay schism
London Telegraph ^ | 23 August 2004 | Jonathan Petre

Posted on 08/22/2004 8:57:22 PM PDT by ahadams2

Carey tour adds to US fears of gay schism

By Jonathan Petre, Religion Correspondent

Lord Carey, the former Archbishop of Canterbury, will provoke a fresh storm over homosexuality in the Church next month by blessing hundreds of American traditionalists who are boycotting their own pro-gay bishop.

This high-profile intervention by Lord Carey will highlight the growing polarisation in the worldwide Anglican community over the issue and will be criticised as "back-seat driving" by supporters of his successor at Canterbury, Dr Rowan Williams.

It will also raise the temperature of the debate weeks before the publication of the final report by the Lambeth Commission, the body set up last year by Dr Williams to try to avert schism.

Dr Carey is to confirm several hundred adults and children from 11 conservative parishes in Virginia which have rejected the ministry of their diocesan bishop, the Rt Rev Peter Lee, because of his support for the Rt Rev Gene Robinson, Anglicanism's first active homosexual bishop.

He has been invited to carry out the ceremony on Sept 15 by Canon Martyn Minns, the English-born rector of Truro church in Fairfax, Virginia, one of the largest parishes in the American Episcopal Church.

Lord Carey's visit will not breach Church regulations because he is understood to have gained the permission of Bishop Lee to operate in the diocese of Virginia, but it will provide a major boost to the conservative minority in America which is demanding protection from the liberal majority.

Announcing the "extraordinary service of confirmation" presided over by the former Archbishop, Canon Minns said: "This will be an occasion for celebration but also a sign of the serious brokenness of the Episcopal Church and a tragic reminder of our alienation from the ministry of our own bishop."

The Truro parish is one of hundreds across the United States which is withholding money from central diocesan funds in protest at the decision last summer of the Episcopal Church's liberal leadership to confirm the consecration of Bishop Robinson, who lives openly with his male lover.

More than 100 parishes have now split from the Church and affiliated themselves with evangelical dioceses in Africa.

Meanwhile, a number of traditionalist dioceses have formed a new network which is demanding the creation of a parallel "Church within a Church" to minister across the world.

This would mean that traditionalist parishes with liberal bishops could instead invite in a conservative bishop. It is an arrangement Lord Carey is pioneering.

The Rev Richard Kirker, the general secretary of the Lesbian and Gay Christian Movement, said: "This is an insensitive and provocative trip which will cause dismay to Rowan Williams, just as it would if, when George Carey was Archbishop, his predecessor Robert Runcie had gone ahead and ordained an openly gay man as a bishop.

"There are plenty of other bishops to conduct confirmations, and George Carey is doing much more. He is trying to turn the service into a needlessly provocative gesture."


TOPICS: Activism; Apologetics; Current Events; Mainline Protestant; Ministry/Outreach; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture; Theology
KEYWORDS: anglican; apostasy; bishop; carey; church; communion; conservative; ecusa; episcopal; fairfax; hereshomosexual; homosexualagenda; homosexualbishop; martynminns; response; schism; truro; uk; usa; va

1 posted on 08/22/2004 8:57:23 PM PDT by ahadams2
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To: ahadams2; sionnsar; Grampa Dave; AnAmericanMother; N. Theknow; Ray'sBeth; hellinahandcart; ...

chalk one up for the good guys ping.


2 posted on 08/22/2004 8:58:30 PM PDT by ahadams2 (http://trad-anglican.faithweb.com is the url for the Anglican Freeper Resource Page)
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To: ahadams2

"There are plenty of other bishops to conduct confirmations, and George Carey is doing much more. He is trying to turn the service into a needlessly provocative gesture."




AS if consecrating a homosexual who deserted his wife and family for his gay lover was somehow mundane and unprovocative.


3 posted on 08/22/2004 9:03:43 PM PDT by No_Outcome_But_Victory (Reagan preferred to shoot the bear... the verdict of history will be simple: nice aim.)
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To: ahadams2

PS - Not Bush's fault...


4 posted on 08/22/2004 9:18:51 PM PDT by coconutt2000
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To: ahadams2

Schisms aren't bad if they divide the truth from a lie.


5 posted on 08/22/2004 9:23:29 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: ahadams2

Why did Carey retire as Archbishop of Canterbury? He's very active now, so ill-health wouldn't seem to be the reason (thank God).


6 posted on 08/22/2004 11:20:00 PM PDT by xJones
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To: xJones

You wrote "Why did Carey retire as Archbishop of Canterbury?"

well despite the fact that it's our old parish that's hosting the big Confirmation service, I don't have any particular knowledge of ABP Carey retired. At a guess, he saw this whole business coming and decided to bail...but that's just my best guess.


7 posted on 08/22/2004 11:54:47 PM PDT by ahadams2 (http://trad-anglican.faithweb.com is the url for the Anglican Freeper Resource Page)
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To: coconutt2000

You wrote "PS - Not Bush's fault..."

LOL! yes, however considering the parishes which are included in the confirmation ceremony, if the DUmmies understood who their membership was, they'd be having conniption fits. :-)


8 posted on 08/22/2004 11:56:39 PM PDT by ahadams2 (http://trad-anglican.faithweb.com is the url for the Anglican Freeper Resource Page)
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To: ahadams2

Can you list the 11 parishes? Thanks!


9 posted on 08/23/2004 9:18:26 AM PDT by Ex-Episcopalian
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To: Ex-Episcopalian

I'll see if I can find a list of all of them.


10 posted on 08/23/2004 9:21:24 AM PDT by ahadams2 (http://trad-anglican.faithweb.com is the url for the Anglican Freeper Resource Page)
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To: xJones
Why did Carey retire as Archbishop of Canterbury? He's very active now, so ill-health wouldn't seem to be the reason (thank God).

IIRC, he reached mandatory retirement age.

11 posted on 08/23/2004 9:44:56 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: ahadams2

thanks for the ping. I don't know what this means, since the LesBiGay agenda has basically taken over ECUSA and they are retaining property rights, etcetera, i.e., the church is "theirs."

Does the Anglican Church need to disown ECUSA so that the Bible-based Anglicans can again be the bona fide church? As of now, the Bible believers are the outsiders.


12 posted on 08/23/2004 9:52:54 AM PDT by KiloLima (Proud Infidel-American. Any questions?)
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To: ahadams2
I read DU from time to time ("know your enemy", etc.) and have gotten used to the virulent anti-Christian comments that pepper any topic remotely relating to Christianity or Christians. Attacks against other faith traditions and their adherents seem to be classified as "hate speech" and censored.

But what still continues to amaze me is the utter ignorance these attackers have about Christianity. If they have any knowledge at all, it tends to be anecdotes about what some nun said or did in parochial school when they were a child or something they heard about a wacky sect that performs "exorcisms" on epileptics or whomever.

Once recent discussion on this very topic had posters bashing the ECUSA for their "bigotry" against gay people. Even after some more knowledgeable posters clarified that the ECUSA was very gay-friendly, the disparagement went on. It appears they literally cannot think if the word "Christian" appears on their screen. It's truly the devil's work.

I know some good Christians who consider themselves liberal (may God in his mercy lead them to the truth :-)), but I truly can't understand how they manage to wallow in the filth spewed out by their fellow "liberals" against them.
13 posted on 08/23/2004 12:53:17 PM PDT by good_fight (Anglo-Catholic in religion, classicist in literature, realist in politics.)
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To: good_fight
One small correction: I just read the article about two churches leaving the ECUSA's Diocese of Los Angeles. When I say the DUmpsters were discussing "this very topic" that's what I was referring to, not Lord Carey's tour.

And, by the way, please pray for the former Archbishop as he makes this tour. As far as I'm concerned he was the last godly man to sit in the Canterbury throne. May God richly bless his courage and perseverance!
14 posted on 08/23/2004 1:02:48 PM PDT by good_fight (Anglo-Catholic in religion, classicist in literature, realist in politics.)
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To: KiloLima

You wrote "Does the Anglican Church need to disown ECUSA so that the Bible-based Anglicans can again be the bona fide church?"

Yes that is exactly correct - and with the assistance of the Anglican Archbishops from the Southern Hemisphere, it's going to happen, too.


15 posted on 08/23/2004 1:41:36 PM PDT by ahadams2 (http://trad-anglican.faithweb.com is the url for the Anglican Freeper Resource Page)
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