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Ultimatum for Catholics [Phoenix & elsewhere]
AZ central.com | August 2, 2004 | Dennis Kavanaugh

Posted on 08/03/2004 9:43:49 AM PDT by Phx_RC

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To: Arguss
I used to think I could change minds through just giving what I perceived as the truth. It doesn't work, and I give up.

I'm coming to the same conclusion. But then Scripture tells us to be prepared to "give an answer for the hope that lies within us." Perhaps this is because we can sew some seeds that the Spirit can cultivate.

61 posted on 08/04/2004 5:12:30 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: saradippity
"Oops,one more question,does your wife not like the Indult? Just wondering."

My wife went to the indult Mass once, and it didn't move her. I can understand her feelings, after so many years of 'being involved' in the NO.

On that particular day there was an old Polish Priest that nobody can understand. Even I lose interest after about two sentences of the homily. And she couldn't keep up during the Mass, even using the little Latin/English booklet.

The Latin Mass takes getting used to after the noise of the NO, and not everybody is willing to expend the effort. People have gotten to think the Mass is about them rather than the Mystery unfolding before them.

62 posted on 08/04/2004 6:02:23 AM PDT by Arguss (Take the narrow road)
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To: GOP Soccer Mom
"I wonder if a return to orthodoxy would increase church attendance... "

I'm convinced of it. It would take awhile, but I'm sure that is what is needed to reverse the trend.

My pet project is to promote the Tridentine Mass because I think it is the key to the whole Catholic expeience. Lex Orandi: Lex Credendi (how you pray determines how you believe) is more than a clever latin phrase. It's the basis for everything.

63 posted on 08/04/2004 6:32:43 AM PDT by Arguss (Take the narrow road)
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To: Aquinasfan
"Perhaps this is because we can sew some seeds that the Spirit can cultivate."

I've come to the conclusion that a well phrased, well timed, comment is often more effective than a detailed speech outlining your whole argument for or against a topic. It's the little things that stick in someones mind, long after everything else is done and forgotten. The seemingly offhand comment is best.

The thing is, those kind of gems are hard to come up with, and most effectively come from the heart, with no prethought.

We will probably never know in this life whom we may have influenced.

64 posted on 08/04/2004 6:50:54 AM PDT by Arguss (Take the narrow road)
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To: sandyeggo

"I heard once on the news that a man thinks about sex about 7 times an hour and I thought it must be liberal propaganda."

The figure I heard for teenage boys is once ever 6 seconds.

When I was that age, there were perhaps 6 seconds in a waking day when I was thinking about something else. Like, say, if I'd just driven a nail through my hand in woodshop because whatever girl I was worshipping from afar walked past the door to the shop.

"I would still be in shock if life didn't have to go on."

I have often been vilified for asserting that women do not long for men in the same way that men long for women, nor suffer the same ravages of deprivation in a drought.

Still think it's true, though, because if it weren't, literally *every* teenage girl would experience premarital pregnancy.


67 posted on 08/04/2004 8:06:26 AM PDT by dsc
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To: ArrogantBustard

And even at my parish there are some very orthodox people. The RCIA director is very traditional, and I personally know someone on the liturgy committee who has been working for a while on getting things in line. She has also been outspoken with Fr. for a while. I'll be sitting down to write my letter later today, and we'll see what happens. In the meantime, I'm still attending another parish for Mass, since I don't want to have to contradict a priest (if he says something wacky) with my girls. How can I explain to them (5 & 3) that the priest isn't doing his job? It's just not something I want them to doubt. I want them to feel that they can trust what a priest says, esp. since most of them are faithful and true to Christ.


68 posted on 08/05/2004 8:37:42 AM PDT by GOP Soccer Mom (John 6:30-69)
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To: Convert from ECUSA

Thank you. We are pretty new in the area, and Bishop DiLorenzo was installed a mere month after we moved in! But I can see the remnants of Bishop Sullivan's handiwork. He was installed just prior to John Paul II, so I'm wondering if the Holy Father has been trying, though taking a long time, to install bishops who are more in line with Rome.


69 posted on 08/05/2004 8:41:48 AM PDT by GOP Soccer Mom (John 6:30-69)
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To: sandyeggo
Now, being female, I have never understood this male problem. I heard once on the news that a man thinks about sex about 7 times an hour and I thought it must be liberal propaganda. My husband said he thought that was about in range. I would still be in shock if life didn't have to go on.

My husband said it's actually twice a day: once all day, once all night. Men are VERY seriously visually stimulated (for anything) and they also tend to focus on one thing at a time. (Hence, multiple calls to dinner when Tampa Bay and Los Angeles are locked in a death match on the grid-iron.) They do have it tough what with all the barely-there fashion these days.

70 posted on 08/05/2004 8:47:11 AM PDT by GOP Soccer Mom (John 6:30-69)
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To: Phx_RC
The Jesuits there taught me to have an inquiring mind on religious issues.

Having gone to a Jesuit institution myself I know exactly what that means, a mind so open your brains fall out!

72 posted on 08/05/2004 10:16:41 AM PDT by Diva
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To: saradippity; All

AMEN!

I just left evening mass at St Helen's in Glendale(AZ). Bishop Olmsted was there celebrating confirmations for two candidates who were unable to be confirmed due to unavoidable circumstances. One in particular was a teen whose car he was driving was hit by a drunk driver and nearly died.

(His girl friend did die - Please keep her soul in your prayers.)

Bishop Olmsted promised at that confirmation mass that he would celebrate one specifically for those who couldn't make it. I just witnessed him keep his promise this evening. God Bless this good man and orthodox follower of the faith.

Sorry to go slightly off topic - but I thought you all should know.


73 posted on 08/08/2004 9:26:14 PM PDT by kgcyclist (Yes - Bishop Olmsted is a man of his word - and of His word!)
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