Posted on 08/03/2004 9:43:49 AM PDT by Phx_RC
Can this phrase be used toward SSPXers and sedevacanists, too?
I can't tell you the number of times I see people take the Eucharist back to their seat to consume it. Isn't it the responsibility of the Extraordinary Minister to be sure the host is consumed? I know it's hard to do, but it's just amazing how irreverent people are to the Eucharist.
The pastor at a nearby parish to mine has to tell people to bow in reverence during the body and blood portions of the consecration. Of course this particular church has no kneelers...
No one wants to enforce dress codes. We don't have to go back to mandatory suits for men, but being surrounded by a gaggle of teenage girls in midriff bearing jeans is just a little bit distracting...
Well said!
Come Holy Spirit, Come!
The lack of discipline and the lack of catachesis is apparent in this gentleman's article.
I think each person who wishes to participate in the Mass be instructed in the Rubrics of the Church. Of course these people would probably say it would take too much time.
Ha! As a pol. he would not have enought time???
How many on the altar, Sundays, know when your suuposed to genuflect or when to bow? How many know who you should bow to during the Mass? How many know when you should bow with the right knee and or the left knee? (non-Mass)
Questions that any person on the altar should know.
Yes! The communicant is supposed to move just to the left or the right of the Priest or Extra, consume the Host then leave.
###"No one wants to enforce dress codes. We don't have to go back to mandatory suits for men, but being surrounded by a gaggle of teenage girls in midriff bearing jeans is just a little bit distracting"####
Yes! But more than distraction. Minis, tank tops and other beach wear really puts pressure on young and old men to remain in the state of grace while receiving communion. And it is the duty of the clergy to point this out to the laity.
I agree with your whole post, and I just don't get it. That article from Bend OR got so many people shaking in agreement - with the dissenters. An aquaintance of mine is the music leader in his parish, and said he would leave in a heartbeat if asked to sign an oath. He is not the only one I know.
I shouldn't be surprised, as many people on this forum (maybe even on this thread) who write everyday about this abuse and that, themselves dissent from traditions.
I wonder if you would tell us how you responded to your friend,the music minister,when he told you he would not sign an affirmation of his Catholicism?
I know what you mean. It's like that at our local parishes. I am involved in parish ministries and almost without exception most of the people I am acquainted with or meet feel the same. Even, and this surprised me at first, people who only a decade ago were among the most devout (now derogatively referred to as 'old-fashioned' or medievel, the new devout being adherence to the change-du-jour) or opposed to the odd changes proposed by our then pastor (against the Diocese' orders). The comments made at some of our parish council meetings alone give scandal, if not outright heresy and schism. Our pastor hasn't given in to some of the demands (like regular non-emergency communal confessions to completely replace regular confessions, something done in error by a previous pastor), but neither has he corrected or admonished these people.
I guess there are enough of us on these threads to show that at least some remain faithful to the Pope. And the people who were once considered dissenters now have enough followers that they now urge, at least in our Diocese, 'compromise' which mostly means we keep the things they've instituted in error while 'permitting' adherence to some of the 'old-fashioned devotions' on limited occasions with 'strict' guidelines. Most people, even those who previously disagreed, all agree 'It's just easier'.
It is their choice but they have to make it. The question they should be asking and not of the bishops or priests is "Will we be now?" Will we be the Catholics we are supposed to be? Will we choose our faith over the world?
Here, here!!! And pass the Kool-Aid!
Thanks for the ping!
" they must completely accept all of the church's teachings opposing abortion, contraception, gay relationships and other issues.""
And your problem with this is?.....
I could have written the same thing five years ago.
Does anyone know which parish (in Mesa?) that Dennis Kavanaugh has been a lector at for nine years?
Christ the King?
St Bridget's?
Queen of Peace?
St Timothy's?
Holy Cross?
I'd pick any of the above for various reasons.
I'd be surprised if it is All Saints.
Good question. If you'll notice, I called him an aquaintance. I host a Catholic discussion group, (firewalled) and he is one of the posters.
He fits to a "T" the kind of people we are discussing here. He is an admitted ultra Liberal, and his answer to a question I posed recently about declining Church membership was that people were responding to the Pope poking his nose into their bedrooms, where it doesn't belong. So his answer to this development was no surprise.
I didn't preach to him, as it would do no good. He is there strictly for the shock value, as the group is plainly traditional. He is good for stimulating discussion on occasion. The group is very small, and even more so recently.
It is interesting that you ask this question. Just tonight at the dinner table I was discussing with my wife that I don't respond anymore to political and religious conversations. I just nod my head and let it register who said what. I think I just ignore those people in the future. I used to think I could change minds through just giving what I perceived as the truth. It doesn't work, and I give up.
But that is what discussion forums are for.
"Last presidental candidate voted for: Gore"
So he votes Pro-Death.
"Person most admire: Jimmy Carter..."
Oh well...
"What people don't know about me: I am a rabid ASU sports fan, having season tickets in football, basketball and baseball."
If only he were a "rabid" Catholic. [Meaning zealous.]
Hey, all we ask is that someone in the public eye who publicly claims to be Catholic merely accept the teachings of the Catholic Church.
He should have Faith seeking understanding.
And he should seek his understanding from sources who love the Church and accept without dissent what it teaches.
Well,I think we are smaller and poorer but the other two qualities seem to be longer in coming than I had hoped.Nonetheless,I am very much convinced that the result,after a few more months or a year will be what I predicted.
Keep up the good work,and you are right,we learn as we try to teach and that is good for all of us. Talk to you later.
Oops,one more question,does your wife not like the Indult? Just wondering.
Now, though, I'm in the position of looking for a new place to worship. I can discern a lot for myself, but I cannot let that man preach heresies to my children!! *sigh*
BTW, we need to pray for priests, as well as Catholic laymen, who are falling away from the teachings of Christ's Church.
About kneeling during the Consecration...
In our quest for a new parish, we attended Our Lady of Nazareth in Salem, VA. OH, MY GOD!! I walked in, and was immediately stunned. I was told it was a 'church in the round' but was unprepared for it. Risers, chairs, no kneelers, no Stations of the Cross, crappy plastic hangings with crosses, one GORGEOUS iconic Crucifix, one pretty hanging-on-the-wall statue of Our Lady...NO TABERNACLE anywhere near the "church." I searched all over for it during Mass (all the while praying that I could focus on Christ in a place that didn't encourage it). After Mass, I did finally find the Tabernacle in a room, door closed, at the back of the church...supposedly a "special room" of sorts, I guess. Since there were no kneelers, everyone pretty much stood for the Consecration, except for my 5 1/2 year old and I, who knelt anyway. She was VERY upset that my dh didn't kneel, too, but I think he felt unsure of what to do exactly (he hasn't converted yet).
All in all, I was really disappointed, and even dh didn't see us going back there. We felt like we were in a gym. In fact, it reminded me of when our parish (when I was a child) had outgrown it's church, and we held double Masses in both the church and the cafeteria of the Catholic high school (they also used the gym at the same time at Christmas and Easter). We made do with that until a free-standing church could be built. But we did that because we HAD to, and this parish CHOOSE to build a church like this!
BTW, it was built and consecrated in 1978. :P Figures, huh?
So, what happened to kneeling, guys? I thought that at least some of the people my parents' age would be kneeling, but I am not sure anyone did it at all. (Of course, I couldn't see and was trying not to think about it at the time.)
I wonder if a return to orthodoxy would increase church attendance...
I mean, what's so special about being Catholic if it's just like everyone else? If you understand your purpose (see Baltimore Cathechism ;) ), and it's taught faithfully from the pulpit, I think that people respond positively to it.
Myself, I am only beginning to understand so much about the Faith, and much of it is because I am homeschooling w/ a Catholic curricula (curriculum?). I am trying to stay ahead of the curve, so I can anticipate and answer questions that are sure to come up with my children.
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