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Loving And Committed Adultery Becomes Church's Next Abomination
UCMpage.org via SFGate ^ | 20 Apr | Don Lattin

Posted on 04/23/2004 5:31:03 PM PDT by xzins

Committed to marriage for the masses Polyamorists say they relate honestly to multiple partners

Unitarians from Boston to Berkeley have opened another front in the liberal crusade to expand the definition of marriage and family in America.

It's the new polygamy, and according to the Unitarian Universalists for Polyamory Awareness, their relationships are at least as ethical as other marriages -- gay or straight.

"Polyamory is never having to say you've broken up,'' said Sally Amsbury of Oakland, whose sex and love life openly includes her husband and two "other significant others," known in polyamory parlance as "OSOs."

Amsbury serves on the national board of directors of the Unitarian Universalist organization, which defines polyamory as "the philosophy and practice of loving or relating intimately to more than one other person at a time with honesty and integrity.''

"Polyamory is not an alternative to monogamy. It's an alternative to cheating,'' said Jasmine Walston, who lives in Louisville, Ky., and is president of the Unitarian Universalists for Polyamory Awareness.

"For some of us, monogamy doesn't work, and cheating was just abhorrent to me,'' she said.

To some, the polyamory movement is reminiscent of the "free love,'' swinging and open marriages of the 1960s and 1970s.

AIDS and other sexually transmitted diseases dampened that sexual liberation movement in the 1980s and 1990s.

Today, Walston said, many people mistakenly believe that polyamorists are careless in their sex lives.

"When everything is out in the open, and your husband knows what is going on, you're going to be more careful about safe sex,'' she said.

John Hurley, a Boston spokesman for the 183,000-member Association of Unitarian Universalists, says the views of polyamorists are not necessarily endorsed by the denomination's board of trustees.

Polyamorists themselves are divided over whether to push for more formal recognition from the Unitarians, or to begin public lobbying for some of the same rights granted to heterosexual couples. "We're where the gay rights movement was 30 years ago,'' Walston said.

Amsbury says she favors expanding the legal definition of marriage to include three or more people, but she doesn't expect to see it anytime soon.

"We're lovers, not fighters,'' she said. "We don't want to get people's backs up.''

Other polyamorists are concerned that their cause will be used by opponents of same-sex marriage.

Just last week, a group of conservative evangelicals asked San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom whether his support of same-sex marriage applied to multiple-partner marriages.

"What possible reason could you find for discriminating against or denying equal access to threesomes, foursomes, etc.?'' they asked in a letter to Newsom.

Rebecca Parker, the president of Starr King School for the Ministry in Berkeley, says many Christians find polygamy even more sinful than homosexuality.

Monogamous heterosexual marriage, she says, is ordained by God through the creation of Adam and Eve.

Even though polygamy is practiced by some of the heroes in the Bible -- and in many non-Christian cultures around the world today -- it remains a Judeo-Christian taboo.

Starr King is a seminary of the Association of Unitarian Universalists and part of the Graduate Theological Union, a consortium of Protestant and Catholic seminarians in Berkeley and Marin County.

Unitarians -- who encourage their members to seek spiritual truth based on human experience, not allegiance to creeds and doctrines -- have been around since 1782. They merged with the Universalists in 1961.

Many of the students and faculty at Starr King see the polyamory movement as a threat to gay and lesbian couples.

"In the Protestant denomination, the movement to accept same-sex couples was built on the idea that they, too, can have lifelong monogamous relationships,'' Parker said. "Gays and lesbians found safety in saying, 'We can have families. We're normal -- just like everyone else.' That became the basis for them asking for social acceptance and equal protection under the law. ''

Very few polyamorous Unitarian Universalist ministers are "out of the closet." They fear it will wreck their chances of getting or keeping a job with a congregation.

Jim Zacarias, interim minister at the First Unitarian Church of Albuquerque, recently came out to his congregation as bisexual.

"People who choose a polyamory lifestyle in our denomination are doing it with an ethic of responsibility in their relationships,'' he said. "People in polyamory have the same struggles as people in gay and lesbian relationships.

"Our denomination has been welcoming to gays and lesbians and transgendered people,'' Zacarias said. "Bisexuals have not received the recognition they deserve.''

"Some people in polyamory are bi, some are homosexual, some are heterosexual. We are serving their needs,'' said Barb Greve, a transgender person who likes to be called "he."

Greve is a program associate with the Association of Unitarian Universalists' Office of Bisexual, Gay, Lesbian and Transgender Concerns in Boston

"There are people who want to be in committed relationships -- whether it's heterosexual marriage, same-sex marriage or polyamory -- and that should be acknowledged religiously and legally,'' he said.

According to Amsbury and other Unitarian polyamorists, most of the people in their movement are bisexual or heterosexual.

Amsbury is bisexual, her husband of two years is heterosexual, and her current "other significant others" are bisexual.

One of them, Peter, lives in West Hollywood with his boyfriend. The other one, Conly, lives in Santa Rosa and has been her lover for seven years.

"I wear a wedding ring for my husband," she explained, "and a bracelet for Conly.''

Though Amsbury and her husband, Terrance Roff, did not involve Peter and Conly in their Alameda marriage ceremony, other polyamorous Unitarians have proposed church ceremonies to bless threesomes, foursomes or moresomes.

One set of guidelines for church blessings of polyamorous partners suggests that the officiating minister try to put people at ease by saying, "We are from many different faith traditions, and we have many different experiences of love. What made us say 'yes' to being here was the love among these people.''

E-mail Don Lattin at dlattin@sfchronicle.com.


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KEYWORDS: polyamory; unitarianism; uucult
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Sen. Rick Santorum predicted this.

UU = New Age = Gnosticism

1 posted on 04/23/2004 5:31:03 PM PDT by xzins
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To: xzins
And people poo-poo "slippery slope" arguments....

The nation is truly in denial. We are no longer slouching toward Gomorrah....we're in an all-out sprint.

2 posted on 04/23/2004 5:37:14 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: xzins
"I wear a wedding ring for my husband," she explained, "and a bracelet for Conly.''

.Well no one ever told me you get multiple jewelry! I might have to rethink this monogamy stuff!

Just kidding, actually this turns my stomach.

3 posted on 04/23/2004 6:06:17 PM PDT by ladyinred (Kerry has more flip flops than Waikiki Beach)
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To: anniegetyourgun
Raced through Gomorrah and headed full steam through the Sodomite Gate
4 posted on 04/23/2004 6:24:24 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army and Proud of It!)
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To: ladyinred
Jewelry stores will be thrilled...3 and 4 and 5 wedding rings for one union.
5 posted on 04/23/2004 6:25:21 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army and Proud of It!)
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To: xzins
Amsbury is bisexual, her husband of two years is heterosexual, and her current "other significant others" are bisexual.

One of them, Peter, lives in West Hollywood with his boyfriend. The other one, Conly, lives in Santa Rosa and has been her lover for seven years.

This is so gross.

6 posted on 04/23/2004 7:07:13 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah (The day the Church abandons her universal tongue is the day before she returns to the catacombs-PXII)
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To: xzins
Marantha!

And SOON!
7 posted on 04/23/2004 7:08:56 PM PDT by lightman
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
If I remember correctly, Romans 1 says that when they begin to worship the created thing rather than the creator that God permits them the logical downward slide from the ultimate natural Orderer, out of the natural, and into the unnatural. It seems it expresses itself in "unnatural sex."

They're worshipping themselves, materialism, some "god" of their creation.

They've raced downhill into full scale sexual perversion just as predicted by the bible.
8 posted on 04/23/2004 7:11:57 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army and Proud of It!)
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To: lightman
That day shall not come until there is a falling away first. The love of many has waxed cold.

9 posted on 04/23/2004 7:13:55 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army and Proud of It!)
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To: xzins
LOL! Isn't this just sick?
10 posted on 04/23/2004 7:26:37 PM PDT by ladyinred (Kerry has more flip flops than Waikiki Beach)
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To: xzins
While we're on the topic, can anyone help me explain why polygamy's wrong, Biblically-speaking? Sure, the "one-flesh" parts, but why no specific condemnation of David, Solomon, etc. for polygamy?

And, silly me, I've lived in University towns so long that it seems entirely normal (sickening, but normal) that polyamory, incest, bestiality, prostitution, "adult-child sex," etc. would be legalized. We must put a stop to it -- but how?
11 posted on 04/23/2004 7:27:40 PM PDT by AdrianneTruett
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To: AdrianneTruett
Polygamy first appeared in the evil line of Cain, with Lamech I believe.

Polygamy was a cultural corruption. Abraham, Jacob and David did not experience full union with God until they repented of their adultery and polygamy. Solomon as we know never reconciled with God but strayed further and lost everything.
12 posted on 04/23/2004 7:32:11 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah (The day the Church abandons her universal tongue is the day before she returns to the catacombs-PXII)
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To: AdrianneTruett
Polygamy's wrong because Jesus endorsed monogamy.

How do we stop it?: spiritual revolution OR wait for God to call an end to the age.
13 posted on 04/23/2004 7:32:32 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army and Proud of It!)
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To: xzins
Most protestant do not consider the unitarian church as protestant anymore that the catholic church considers protestant, catholic. I resent the writer trying to pool all the protestant churches into this problem.

It just more liberal brainwashing to get the general public into thinking that all protestant church have the same problems. We don't!!!!! Almost all conservative protestant churches and their pastors know the different between right and wrong. Even the writer of this article calls it an abomination. At lease he got the title right.
14 posted on 04/23/2004 7:36:11 PM PDT by Warlord David
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To: xzins
If I remember correctly, Romans 1 says that when they begin to worship the created thing rather than the creator that God permits them the logical downward slide from the ultimate natural Orderer, out of the natural, and into the unnatural.

Correct. Romans 1:24-32

And it shouldn't be any suprise. Separation from the one and only source of goodness, which is God, will always result in a fall towards evil. Separation from the Light, will result in darkness. Separation from Life, will result in death. It's just the way things go.

15 posted on 04/23/2004 8:56:48 PM PDT by monkfan (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.)
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To: lightman
I'm beginning to think it is about time, too, although of course we do not see as God sees.
16 posted on 04/23/2004 9:18:30 PM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: xzins
The end is near - God will not tolerate this state of affairs (no pun intended) for much longer...or He will apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah!
17 posted on 04/23/2004 9:37:29 PM PDT by LiteKeeper
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To: xzins; Canticle_of_Deborah
In the Protestant denomination

I don't consider UU as Christian, much less Protestant. It's amazing how some people try to latch onto the term Christian or Protestant in order to seek credibility, when they spurn the core beliefs of Christianity.

BTW, Good morning Chanice

Regards,

Aubra

18 posted on 04/24/2004 8:32:29 AM PDT by Gamecock (Need a new name? Let me know.....)
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To: Warlord David
**Most protestant do not consider the unitarian church as protestant**

Unitarian Universalist churches are not even Christian much less protestant. Make no mistake about that.I would be hard pressed to even call them a church. They are a political organization.

They believe that personal experience, conscience, and reason should be the final authorities in religion. In the end, religious authority lies not in a book, person, or institution, but in ourselves. "We put religious insights to the test of our hearts and minds." In other words, the UU's espouse a humanist believe of each individual in a position superior to God or scripture. The UU believes that each individual's spiritual path for truth should not be hampered by a creed or set of rules. It describes itself as a "free faith." If the UU cult believes in anything, it is everything, and it stands for nothing.

The UU's deny the deity of Jesus Christ. They believe that Jesus was an example of a good and moral man. Nothing more, nothing less. In light of this, it would be hard to call the UU cult Christian.

"Some Unitarian Universalists are nontheists and do not find language about God useful. The faith of other Unitarian Universalists in God may be profound, though among these, too, talk of God may be restrained. Why? The word God is much abused. Far too often, the word seems to refer to a kind of granddaddy in the sky or a super magician. To avoid confusion, many Unitarian Universalists are more apt to speak of "reverence for life" (in the words of Albert Schweitzer, a Unitarian), the spirit of love or truth, the holy, or the gracious. Many also prefer such language because it is inclusive; it is used with integrity by theist and nontheist members." To sum up, the UU's believe that belief in God is too exclusionary, so they don't have much regard for its use.

"We do not, however, hold the Bible-or any other account of human experience-to be either an infallible guide or the exclusive source of truth. Much biblical material is mythical or legendary. Not that it should be discarded for that reason! Rather, it should be treasured for what it is. We believe that we should read the Bible as we read other books (or the newspaper)-with imagination and a critical eye." The UU sees the Bible as equal to any good novel.

Salvation to the UU is a guarantee. They do not believe in Hell. They do not believe that there is a penalty for sin. Most do not believe in an afterlife, and few believe in Heaven.

If indeed the UU church is a church at all, it is the church of the Antichrist. Put here to prepare for his coming.

Sorry about the rant. My daughter joined the UU cult while attending college at UNC Chapel Hill.

Note: Everything in Italics in my reply is from UU websites.

19 posted on 04/24/2004 8:35:05 AM PDT by Between the Lines
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Unitarians were in on the founding of Planned Parenthood and the ACLU. Unitarians had a history of working with American communists. One UU church here in New York is constantly at the disposal of the IAC/ANSWER pukes-- for meetings, teach-ins, flop space for out-of-town antiwar protestors...

They were not always a non-Christian religion, but IMO, this belief they had of "continuous revelation" was always going to lead them there in the end. Shifting sands.
20 posted on 04/24/2004 9:05:34 AM PDT by hellinahandcart
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