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Posted on 03/10/2004 9:37:27 PM PST by malakhi
| Statesmen may plan and speculate for liberty, but it is religion and morality alone which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand. The only foundation of a free constitution is pure virtue. - John Adams |
Logic would tell me it's "Stars of David," but then again logic tells me that it should be "teaspoonsful." ;-)
(Psst: There are no Jewish vampires. Vampires are a scam that Catholics came up with in order to get more movie gigs for priests. And good PR for Holy Water. )
SD
What other verses of Scripture are not inspired?
I am confident that the mod was not pinged here by a Calvinist..but pinged or FRmailed here by a regular with his own agenda...
Don't forget that the first Calvinist that was suspended after posting to this thread was drstevej. And now three more have joined him in the FR Outer Darkness, all as a result of posting on this very thread. And the Mod messages on this thread make that clear that it was their posts on this thread that did the deed.
So who pinged the mods on drstevej? Dawg, if you're honest about discovering who pinged the mods to this thread, I suggest you start with that incident. Either that, or I suggest you drop it. After all, you have nothing to fear from the Mods, so long as you're keeping their rules. Sounds more like you're afraid they'll discover the opposite.
Remind me to dig up an old post of mine and ping you to it, on how things are made kosher. You'll love it.
It doesn't matter where they posted. It's the content of their posts that gets them in trouble.
SD
This sounds suspiciously like Hauhn's book to me . I do not care for him because he seems makes up theology as he goes along.
Mar 14:24 And he said unto them, This is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many.
Mar 14:25 Verily I say unto you, I will drink no more of the fruit of the vine, until that day that I drink it new in the kingdom of God.
He was not dead, He was not in the kingdom when he "drank" the vinegar off the sponge....not a cup
Mat 26:29 But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.
They were not in the Kingdom and He did not drink it from a cup with them
Luk 22:18 For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come.
Matthew 28:
18: And Jesus came and said to them, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me..."
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In what way was He the "Son" of God? What was the nature of that relationship?
This question has been answered several times and I am not about to play your q&a games.
I don't like to jump into someone elses turf but you asked one of the most annoying questions that plagued me for years. It wasn't until I embraced a Reform position that I understood them.
There are two such people who were clearly regenerated (or saved) before they were born; Jeremiah and John the Baptist. (We could go into others but the references are vague.)
Please consider the following verses:
Luke 1:13-15: "But the angel said to him: "Do not be afraid, Zechariah; your prayer has been heard. Your wife Elizabeth will bear you a son, and you are to give him the name John. He will be a joy and delight to you, and many will rejoice because of his birth, for he will be great in the sight of the Lord. He is never to take wine or other fermented drink, and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit even from birth."
and
Jeremiah 1:4-5 "The word of the LORD came to me, saying, "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations."
Now, can you explain to me that if one needs to make a "profession of faith" why these two were saved before they were born? No one has yet.
Vince posted to me the copy of the post I had seen , he said that he was responding to a mail from the mod. I will take him at his word..but it sure would be interesting who contacted the mod so the Calvinists could be suspended..we do not do suicide .You have admitted being one ...so who was the first?
I agree with Cindys original post on the topic..people need to have the honesty to out themselves.
Not wanting to get suspended for flaming , unless one of you have any proof that it was one of us, you need to stop the accusations that we did it or we want the thread killed or that we have some "secret agenda". I told you why we post,to present the gospel clearly and without apology ..PERIOD
Your TULIPs are all connected, in a bizarre circular way.
Since you don't believe it possible for someone to reject salvation and you equate it with receiving the Spirit, you lead yourself to these questions.
John the Baptist was indeed filled with the Holy Spirit prior to birth. But guess what? Every little baptised baby is likewise filled with the Spirit of God.
We still have lives to lead and choices to make that can affect our destination.
Of course, if you want ot believe that God thrusts His Spirit into those He chooses and that they are then guaranteed salvation and have no choice in the matter, that is your choice. But we don't share all of your assumptions.
SD
I agree the significance appears directly tied to the plan of salvation as it was said just before HE gave up the ghost.
He shows you the actual message from the mod and the best you can do is say "I'll take him at his word"? If I were you I consider apologizing for the slander, but that's just me.
Do mods always have to be pinged to suspend someone. Sometimes they moniotr these threads on their own.
BTW-There are lots of references that support this theology including that faith is a gift from God and is what is needed to believe in God (you've probably heard these).
I'm still waiting for a response from Malachi on the following verse:
Deuteronomy 30:6 “The LORD your God will circumcise your hearts and the hearts of your descendants, so that you may love him with all your heart and with all your soul, and live.”
(in fairness he said he is busy and will try to answer later)
Nope it is consistent . The command to give the gospel without reservation is not dependent on the hearing of the listener , but on the obedience to the command .
Acts shows us that some were ordained to hear and some walked ways (jut as they did in John 6)
My own issue is the inconsistent double message, contrary to scripture..
They were not in the Kingdom and He did not drink it from a cup with them
The fourth cup was "the Cup of the Kingdom", so whenever He drank it was the announcement of the Kingdom. There's also some question as to which "kingdom" is being announced. And, since the modern-day Eucharist IS a sharing/representing of that sacrifice He would be drinking it "with us".
What explanation do have for Jesus skipping the fourth cup of the Seder? This was essentially the consummating act of the Seder - is the passover not complete without it?
BTW - I'm not aware that this is some "official" Catholic teaching - I'm on my own here.
Also, on your earlier point... how does it reconcile with "He was raised for our justification"?
Just because it isn't mentioned doesn't mean it was skipped.
Has it ever occurred to you that an investigation of the changes caused by "development of doctrine" and "historical growing of a consensus" could lead to what you call "de-construction" in order to return to the full truth?
Maybe the extra-Scriptural "constructions" of the past 2,000 years require some "de-construction"?
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