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The Neverending Story (The Christian Chronicles)
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Posted on 03/10/2004 9:37:27 PM PST by malakhi
The Neverending Story
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To: ksen
"But it does. Because if God must act according to His nature but we do not. Then we exceed God in our capabilities. "
Which goes back to my original question. How can God damn a cat for not being a dog and be called Just? If my nature is to sin. If I am wired from the womb to sin and sin willfully, then how can a just God damn me for that?
JM
To: ksen
He can? God could lie? God could be unjust? God could sin? But He just chooses not to? Is that official RCC dogma? The Bible says that it is impossible for God to tell a lie, not that He just chooses not to, but that He can't. So God is not All-Powerful? Of course He can do any number of things. He has the power and the capacity to do anything imaginable, and even things we can't even imagine.
Likewise, I have the capacity to spray bullets into a crowded playground. But I'm not going to do it.
It is impossible because of God's goodness, not because He lacks the ability to do so.
Because if God must act according to His nature but we do not. Then we exceed God in our capabilities. In effect making us greater than God in this area.
Who told you we could act against our nature? Who told you what our nature was? Maybe that's where the problem is.
Answer me this: do you still engage in sin?
Does that mean you have a sinful nature?
SD
To: ksen
That's interesting, I just heard a Calvinist preacher on the radio this weekend (at least he claimed to be under the Westminster Confession) talking about "Is the God of the NT the same as the God of the OT? Of course He is... He just opperates under different rules now."
Who makes the rules? How is that different from His "nature"?
Will God destroy the world in flood again? No? Because He said He would not. But He did before. Something changed. He changed it.
Perhaps there is "nature" and "nature". God IS "truth" threfore he can't lie because anything He says would immediately happen. If He said "Kevin is a girl" He would not be lying because His Word would go forth and accomplish that which He said. THAT is "nature".
To: JohnnyM
I'm sorry. Are you saying sinners go to heaven even apart from any acceptance of Christ as Savior???
To: IMRight
no. What I am saying is that each individual has a choice to either accept or reject Christ and it is upon this choice that their eternity hinges upon.
JM
To: JohnnyM
no. What I am saying is that each individual has a choice to either accept or reject Christ and it is upon this choice that their eternity hinges upon. Unborn babies have this choice?
To: SoothingDave
Your feigned ignorance is transparent.
No feigned ignorance involved. Sarcasm maybe.
Maybe it was just a reminder to you that "Catholics" are not a monolithic group.
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04/06/2004 1:07:14 PM PDT
by
OLD REGGIE
(I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian?)
To: OLD REGGIE
Maybe it was just a reminder to you that "Catholics" are not a monolithic group. Really???? Do tell.
To: OLD REGGIE
I'd like to think that we all can recognize hypocrites when we see them, political opportunists, regardless of the denomination.
SD
Well, I'm an uncle again. Bridget Nicole, born at 3:44pm, 9 pounds 5 oz; 21 inches.
SD
To: SoothingDave
I'd like to think that we all can recognize hypocrites when we see them, political opportunists, regardless of the denomination.
I'd like to think that we all can recognize hypocrites when we see them, political opportunists, regardless of the denomination.
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posted on
04/06/2004 1:17:10 PM PDT
by
OLD REGGIE
(I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian?)
To: IMRight
unborn babies cannot make a choice.
JM
To: SoothingDave
Well, I'm an uncle again. Bridget Nicole, born at 3:44pm, 9 pounds 5 oz; 21 inches.
Congratulations!
2,153
posted on
04/06/2004 1:19:40 PM PDT
by
Quester
(The mills of God may grind slowly, ... but they grind exceedingly fine.)
To: Quester
They had to induce her. Their measurements were way off, they should have done it at least a week ago. Big baby. Sarah was half that size when we brought her home after 4 weeks.
SD
To: JohnnyM
Shall we go through the question again then? You have said that you are a sinner in the womb. That sinners go to he11 unless they choose Christ. That unborn babies do not go to He11. Now you add that they can't accept Christ.
Is there an out to this "logic" that I haven't seen yet?
To: SoothingDave
Absent other medical issues (like diabetees), babies grow about half a pound a week for the last few weeks. So a week (or even two) ago would have been about right.
How did the delivery go? Everyone OK?
To: SoothingDave
Wow! She's a big girl. Congratulations to the mom and pop.
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04/06/2004 1:28:12 PM PDT
by
OLD REGGIE
(I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian?)
To: IMRight
A baby cannot make a choice nor can a severely retarded person make a choice. If they are not given the choice, then they cannot be condemned for rejecting Jesus.
JM
To: ksen; OLD REGGIE; IMRight
1 Corinthians 3
7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.
8 Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and
every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour. 9 For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building.
reward from the Greek
3408 misthos mis-thos'
1) dues paid for work
a) wages, hire
2) reward: used of the fruit naturally resulting from toils and endeavours
a) in both senses, rewards and punishments
b) of the rewards which God bestows, or will bestow, upon good deeds and endeavours
c) of punishments
Authorized Version (KJV) Translation Count — Total: 29 AV -
reward 24, hire 3,
wages 2; 29
Matthew 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall
reward every man according to his
works.
reward from the Greek
591 apodidomi ap-od-eed'-o-mee
1) to deliver, to give away for one's own profit what is one's own, to sell
2) to pay off, discharge what is due
a) a debt, wages, tribute, taxes, produce due
b) things promised under oath
c) conjugal duty
d) to render account
3) to give back, restore
4) to requite, recompense in a good or a bad sense
Authorized Version (KJV) Translation Count — Total: 48 AV - pay 9, give 9, render 9, reward 7, sell 3, yield 2, misc 9; 48
Colossians 2:18 Let no man
beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,
reward from the Greek
2603 katabrabeuo kat-ab-rab-yoo'-o
1) to decide as umpire against someone
2) to defraud or beguile of the prize of victory
3) metaph. to deprive of salvation
Authorized Version (KJV) Translation Count — Total: 1 AV -
beguile of (one's) reward 1; 1
Colossians 2:18 CLEARLY warns people about losing their REWARD/SALVATION.
OOOOPS so much for OSAS!
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posted on
04/06/2004 1:33:08 PM PDT
by
ET(end tyranny)
(Isaiah 47:4 - Our Redeemer, YHWH of hosts is His name, The Holy One of Israel.)
To: IMRight
babies grow about half a pound a week for the last few weeks. So a week (or even two) ago would have been about right. Two weeks ago my sister wanted it over. A sonogram said the baby was 6 pounds. I think they need to update their equipment, cause that was obviously wrong.
How did the delivery go? Everyone OK?
Everyone's OK, give or take some massive disruption of certain bodily areas.
SD
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