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DEBATE FACT CHECK-- Democrats Gather In Phoenix To Pander, Mislead And Get The Facts Wrong
Republican National Committee ^ | October 9, 2003 | RNC Research

Posted on 10/10/2003 9:14:45 AM PDT by PhiKapMom

October 9, 2003

DEMOCRAT DEBATE FACT CHECK

Democrats Gather In Phoenix To Pander, Mislead And Get The Facts Wrong

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CLARK ON MILITARY FAMILIES

Clark Claims:

Clark Claims Military Personnel Do Better Under Democrat Administrations. “I think there’s a fundamental difference between Republicans and Democrats on this issue, because it’s simply true, the Republicans do like weapon systems and Democrats like people. And so, I can tell you, and I would speak for anybody up here, when we take this government back in 2005, we’re going to look after pay.” (Wesley Clark, CNN’s Democrat Candidate Debate, Phoenix, AZ, 10/9/03)

But Fact Is:

President Bush Has Provided Historic Increases In Military Compensation Over Clinton. Under former President Clinton, military pay decreased an average of almost 2% per year relative to Consumer Price Index. Since President Bush took office, military pay increased an average of 5.2% per year relative to Consumer Price Index. (“Military Pay In Comparison With ECI And CPI,” Department Of Defense; “Defense Spending Highlights,” CQ Almanac, 2000, pp. 2-29 - 2-46)

Kerry Voted Against Military Pay Increases At Least ELEVEN Times. (S.1087, CQ Vote #397: Passed 62-35: R 48-4; D 14-31; I 0-0, 9/5/95; H.R.2126, CQ Vote #579: Adopted 59-39: R 48-5; D 11-34; I 0-0; H.R.1530, CQ Vote #399: Passed 64-34: R 50-3; D 14-31; I 0-0, 9/6/95; H.R. 1530, CQ Vote #608: Adopted 51-43: R 47-2; D 4-41; I 0-0, 12/19/95; S.1124, CQ Vote #5: Adopted 56-34: R 42-3; D 14-31; I 0-0, 1/26/96; S.1745, CQ Vote #187: Passed 68-31: R 50-2; D 18-29; I 0-0, 7/10/96; H.R.3230, CQ Vote #279: Adopted 73-26: R 50-3; D 23-23; I 0-0, 9/10/96; S.Con.Res.18, CQ Vote #72: Motion agreed to 54-44: R 2-40; D 52-4, 3/24/93; S. Con. Res. 18, CQ Vote #73: Motion Agreed To 55-42: R 2-39; D 53-3, 3/24/93; H.R. 1335, CQ Vote #98: Motion agreed to 51-49: R 0-43; D 51-6, 4/1/93; S.Con.Res.18, CQ Vote #46: Adopted 69-30: R 31-12; D 38-18, 3/23/93)

Lieberman Voted Against Military Pay Increases At Least THREE Times. (S.Con.Res.18, CQ Vote #72: Motion agreed to 54-44: R 2-40; D 52-4, 3/24/93; H.R. 1335, CQ Vote #98: Motion agreed to 51-49: R 0-43; D 51-6, 4/1/93; S.4, CQ Vote #26: Passed 91-8: R 52-3; D 39-5, 2/24/99)

Gephardt Voted Against Military Pay Increases At Least Once. (H.R. 1530, CQ Vote #865: Adopted 267-149: R 209-17; D 58-131; I 0-1, 12/15/95)

KERRY ON VETERANS’ HEALTH CARE

Kerry Claims:

Kerry Claims President Not Addressing Veterans’ Health Care. “We have 135,000 veterans waiting six months to see a doctor for the first time just to get their prescription drugs.” (Sen. John Kerry, CNN’s Democrat Candidate Debate, Phoenix, AZ, 10/9/03)

But Fact Is:

“President’s FY2004 Budget Is The Largest Annual Increase For … Veterans Affairs Ever Requested …” (“The President’s Budget Briefing Book, FY 2004,” The White House, 2/3/03)

President’s FY 2004 Budget Proposal Fixes Six-Month Waiting Period, Which Exists Due To Rapid Growth Of Low-Priority Veterans. “In this budget, the President proposes to refocus attention on VA’s core medical care mission of providing needed services to veterans with military disabilities, low incomes, and special needs such as spinal cord injuries by charging other lower-priority veterans in the system an annual enrollment fee and increased drug co-payments. Lower-priority veterans have grown from two percent in 1998 to over 31 percent of VA enrollees in 2002. As a result, 236,000 veterans now must wait six months or longer today for an appointment - a situation that will be eliminated with this budget.” (“The President’s Budget Briefing Book, FY 2004,” The White House, 2/3/03)

American Legion National Commander Called President’s 2004 Budget “Substantial Request And A Good Sign From The Administration.” (The American Legion, Press Release, 2/4/03)

FY2004 Budget Proposal Increases Discretionary Funding 7.4% From FY2003. (Department Of Veterans Affairs, Press Release, 2/3/03)

FY2004 Budget Proposal Provides $2 Billion Increase In Veterans’ Health Care Funding. (Department Of Veterans Affairs, Press Release, 2/3/03)

President’s FY2003 Budget Requested $1.2 Billion Over FY2002 Veterans’ Medical Care. (U.S. Senate Republican Policy Committee Website, http://rpc.senate.gov, Accessed 3/4/03)

KERRY ON OVEREXTENDED MILITARY

Kerry Claims:

Kerry Claims “We Have Overextended The Military.” (Sen. John Kerry, CNN’s Democrat Candidate Debate, Phoenix, AZ, 10/9/03)

But Fact Is:center>

But Kerry Proposed Massive Defense Cuts Of Billions Of Dollars And Numerous Key Programs Throughout His Career. (S. 1580, Introduced 2/29/96; S. Con. Res. 13, CQ Vote #181: Rejected 28-71: R 2-51; D 26-20, 5/24/95, Kerry Voted Yea; S.1163, Introduced 6/24/93; S. Con. Res. 18, CQ Vote #73: Motion Agreed To 55-42: R 2-39; D 53-3, 3/24/93, Kerry Voted Yea; S. Con. Res. 106, CQ Vote #73: Motion Agreed To 53-40: R 38-1; D 15-39, 4/9/92, Kerry Voted Nay; H.R. 2707, CQ Vote #182: Motion Rejected 28-69: R 3-39; D 25-30, 9/10/91, Kerry Voted Yea; S. Con. Res. 29, CQ Vote #49: Motion Rejected 22-73: R 1-39; D 21-34, 4/25/91, Kerry Voted Yea)

EDWARDS ON TAX CUTS FOR RICH

Edwards Claims:center>

Edwards Claims Bush Tax Cuts Hurts Middle Class. “This president is in the business of shifting the tax burden in America from wealth and the wealthy, to work and the middle class, and it’s wrong for two reasons.” (Sen. John Edwards, CNN’s Democrat Candidate Debate, Phoenix, AZ, 10/9/03)

But Fact Is:

Middle Class Workers Benefit Most. “The percentage of federal income taxes paid by families with incomes of $50,000 or less before the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts was 5.6 percent. The percentage of federal income taxes paid by families with incomes of $50,00 or less after the president’s pro-growth 2001 and 2003 tax cuts is 2.9 percent. The proportion of the tax burden borne by poor working families in America has been cut in half by the president’s tax cuts. For comparison, the top one percent pays 37 percent of total income taxes and the top 5 percent pays 56 percent - and those proportions have gone up.”(Robert Grady, Op-Ed, “Would You Buy This Idea?” The Washington Post, 9/28/03)

Tax Burden Not Taken Away From Upper Class.[F]amilies with income of $100,000 or more receive a smaller than average percentage reduction in income taxes so they will pay a larger share of the total income tax burden under [the Jobs and Growth Act].” (“Distribution Of The President’s Growth Package,” Office Of Tax Analysis, Department Of The Treasury, 1/7/03)

CLARK ON HIS IRAQ POSITION

Clark Claims:

Clark Claims Iraq Position “Very Clear.” “I think my position on Iraq has been very, very clear from the outset.” (Wesley Clark, CNN’s Democrat Candidate Debate, Phoenix, AZ, 10/9/03)

But Fact Is:

October 2002: Clark Indicated His Support For Use Of Force Resolution And Said He Would Advise Congressmen To Vote For It. “Retired U.S. Army Gen. Wesley Clark said Wednesday he supports a congressional resolution that would give President Bush authority to use military force against Iraq, although he has reservations about the country’s move toward war. Clark … endorsed Democrat Katrina Swett in the 2nd District race. He said if she were in Congress this week, he would advise her to vote for the resolution, but only after vigorous debate.” (Stephen Frothingham, “Gen. Clark Supports Swett, Raises Concerns About Iraq Policy,” The Associated Press, 10/9/02)

August 2003: Clark Ducked Question On How He Would Have Voted On Iraq Resolution. CNN’s BOB NOVAK: “So you would be the same as Senator Kerry and Congressman Gephardt? You vote yes, but then you start dancing when a few -- when you have some casualties in Iraq? Is that fair?” CLARK: “I’m not dancing. I’m not dancing one bit. I’m telling you exactly what was wrong with that resolution. That resolution was a carte blanche to the administration to go to the U.N. and then do what they wanted.” (CNN’s “Crossfire,” 8/1/03)

One Day After Becoming Candidate, Clark Says He Would Have Voted For Use Of Force Resolution. “‘At the time, I probably would have voted for it [Use of Force Authorization], but I think that’s too simple a question,’ General Clark said. A moment later, he said: ‘I don’t know if I would have or not. I’ve said it both ways because when you get into this, what happens is you have to put yourself in a position - on balance, I probably would have voted for it.’” (Adam Nagourney, “Clark Says He Would Have Voted For War,” The New York Times, 9/19/03)

Two Days After Becoming Candidate, Clark “Would Never Have Voted For War.” “‘I never would have voted for war,’ Clark … said during an interview with The Des Moines Register. Reports published Friday quoted Clark as saying he probably would have supported the resolution.” (Thomas Beaumont, “Clark Says He Wouldn’t Have Voted For War,” The Des Moines Register, 9/20/03)

KERRY ON BUSH TAX CUT

Kerry Claims:

Kerry Claimed 10% Tax Bracket Was Democrats’ Idea. “If you get rid of the whole Bush tax cut, you’re getting rid of the Democratic part of the cut that we put in, the 10 percent bracket.” (Sen. John Kerry, CNN’s Democrat Candidate Debate, Phoenix, AZ, 10/9/03)

But Fact Is:

In January 2000, The Washington Post Noted Candidate Bush’s Tax Cut Proposal Set Lowest Tax Rate At 10%. “For example, the first $43,050 of a married couple’s taxable income is now taxed at 15 percent. Under the Bush plan, the first $12,000 would be taxed at 10 percent and the next $31,050 at 15 percent.” (Eric Pianin and Albert B. Crenshaw, “GOP Fight Bares Schism On Taxes,” The Washington Post, 1/22/00)

KERRY ON PRESCRIPTION DRUG PLANS

Kerry Claims:

Kerry Claims We Need “President Who Is Determined To Have A Medicare Prescription Drug Benefit …” (Sen. John Kerry, CNN’s Democrat Candidate Debate, Phoenix, AZ, 10/9/03)

But Fact Is:

Kerry Voted Against 2004 Budget That Included $400 Billion For Prescription Drug Benefit And Medicare Modernization. The Fiscal 2004 Budget Resolution included a ten-year, $400 billion Medicare overhaul with prescription drug benefit. (S.Con.Res.23, CQ Vote #108: Adopted 56-44: R 50-1; D 6-42; I 0-1, 3/26/03, Kerry Voted Nay)

Kerry Opposed Bipartisan Prescription Drug Benefit. “Senator John F. Kerry, a Massachusetts Democrat who was at presidential campaign events in California, missed the vote. ‘He opposed the legislation in the Finance Committee and he had his ‘no’ vote recorded today,’ said Kelley Benander, a spokeswoman for the Kerry campaign.” (S.1, CQ Vote #262: Passed 76-21: R 40-10; D 35-11; I 1-0, 6/27/03, Kerry Did Not Vote; Wayne Washington, “‘Full-Court Press’ By Bush Plays Part In Medicare Victory,” The Boston Globe, 6/28/03)

Kerry Missed All 35 Votes On Prescription Drug Bill Because He Was Campaigning. (S.1, CQ Vote #262: Prescription Drug Benefit - Passage, Passed 76-21: R 40-10; D 35-11; I 1-0, 6/27/03; S.1, CQ Vote #261: Prescription Drug Benefit - Means Test, Rejected 38-59: R 3-47; D 35-11; I 0-1, 6/26/03; S.1, CQ Vote #260: Prescription Drug Benefit - Alternative Plan, Rejected 21-75: R 20-29; D 1-45; I 0-1, 6/26/03; S.1, CQ Vote #259: Prescription Drug Benefit - Retiree Fallback Plan, Rejected 42-54: R 0-49; D 42-4; I 0-1, 6/26/03; S.1, CQ Vote #258: Prescription Drug Benefit - Medigap Policies, Rejected 43-55: R 1-50; D 42-4; I 0-1, 6/26/03; S.1, CQ Vote #257: Prescription Drug Benefit - Medicaid Coverage, Rejected 47-51: R 5-46; D 42-4; I 0-1, 6/26/03; S.1, CQ Vote #256: Prescription Drug Benefit - Immigrant Coverage, Rejected 33-65: R 32-19; D 1-45; I 0-1, 6/26/03; S.1, CQ Vote #255: Prescription Drug Benefit - Experimental Drug Coverage, Adopted 71-26: R 50-0; D 20-26; I 1-0, 6/26/03; S.1, CQ Vote #254: Prescription Drug Benefit - Premium Reduction, Rejected 39-59: R 0-51; D 39-7; I 0-1, 6/26/03; S.1, CQ Vote #253: Prescription Drug Benefit - Additional Disease Treatment, Agreed To 57-41: R 51-0; D 5-41; I 1-0, 6/26/03; S.1, CQ Vote #252: Prescription Drug Benefit - Alzheimer’s Subsidy, Adopted 98-0: R 51-0; D 46-0; I 1-0, 6/26/03; CQ Vote #251: Prescription Drug Benefit - Asset Test, Adopted 69-29: R 22-29; D 46-0; I 1-0, 6/26/03; S.1, CQ Vote #250: Prescription Drug Benefit - Cancer Patient Coverage, Agreed To 54-44: R 51-0; D 3-43; I 0-1, 6/26/03; S.1, CQ Vote #249: Prescription Drug Benefit - Cancer Care, Adopted 97-1: R 50-1; D 46-0; I 1-0, 6/26/03; S.1, CQ Vote #248: Prescription Drug Benefit - Drug Advertisements, Rejected 39-59: R 0-51; D 39-7; I 0-1, 6/26/03; S.1, CQ Vote #247: Prescription Drug Benefit - Disability Services, Agreed To 50-48: R 48-3; D 2-44; I 0-1, 6/26/03; S.1, CQ Vote #246: Prescription Drug Benefit - Cost-Effectiveness Studies, Rejected 43-52: R 0-48; D 43-3; I 0-1, 6/25/03; S.1, CQ Vote #245: Prescription Drug Benefit - Durbin Substitute, Rejected 39-56: R 0-48; D 39-7; I 0-1, 6/25/03; S.1, CQ Vote #244: Prescription Drug Benefit - Premium Reduction, Rejected 39-56: R 0-49; D 39-6; I 0-1, 6/25/03; S.1, CQ Vote #243: Prescription Drug Benefit - Drug Advertisements, Rejected 26-69: R 0-49; D 26-19; I 0-1, 6/25/03; S.1, CQ Vote #242: Prescription Drug Benefit - Health Centers, Adopted 94-1: R 48-1; D 45-0; I 1-0, 6/25/03; S.1, CQ Vote #241: Prescription Drug Benefit - Employer Compensation, Rejected 41-55: R 0-50; D 41-4; I 0-1, 6/24/03; S.1, CQ Vote #240: Prescription Drug Benefit - Drug Cost Coverage, Rejected 41-54: R 0-49; D 41-4; I 0-1, 6/24/03; S.1, CQ Vote #239: Prescription Drug Benefit - Benefit Availability, Rejected 41-54: R 1-48; D 40-5; I 0-1, 6/24/03; S.1, CQ Vote #238: Prescription Drug Benefit - Two-Year Fallback Plan, Agreed To 51-45: R 48-2; D 2-43; I 1-0, 6/24/03; S.1, CQ Vote #237: Prescription Drug Benefit - Congressional Coverage, Adopted 93-3: R 50-0; D 42-3; I 1-0, 6/24/03; S.1, CQ Vote #236: Prescription Drug Benefit - Cost Sharing Extension, Agreed To 54-42: R 50-0; D 3-42; I 1-0, 6/24/03; S.1, CQ Vote #235: Prescription Drug Benefit - Canadian Price Equity, Agreed To 66-31: R 51-0; D 14-31; I 1-0, 6/24/03; S.1, CQ Vote #234: Prescription Drug Benefit - Open Enrollment Period, Agreed To 55-42: R 51-0; D 3-42; I 1-0, 6/24/03; S.1, CQ Vote #233: Prescription Drug Benefit - Third-Party Coverage, Agreed To 52-43: R 49-0; D 3-42; I 0-1, 6/24/03; S.1, CQ Vote #232: Prescription Drug Benefit - Drug Importation, Adopted 62-28: R 21-25; D 40-3; I 1-06/20/03; S.1, CQ Vote #230: Prescription Drug Benefit - Drug Patents, Adopted 94-1: R 50-1; D 43-0; I 1-0, 6/19/03; S.1, CQ Vote #229: Prescription Drug Benefit - Premium Cap, Rejected 39-56: R 0-51; D 39-4; I 0-1, 6/19/03; S.1, CQ Vote #228: Prescription Drug Benefit - Drug Cost Disclosure, Adopted 95-0: R 51-0; D 43-0; I 1-0, 6/19/03; S.1, CQ Vote #227: Prescription Drug Benefit - Benefit Within Medicare, Rejected 37-58: R 0-51; D 37-6; I 0-1, 6/18/03)

GEPHARDT ON CLINTON TAX HIKE

Gephardt Claims:

Gephardt Touts Clinton Economic Program. “We got a great story for the American people and the middle class and all the people of the country. We did this. I led the fight for the Clinton economic program in 1993. It created 22 million new jobs. We didn’t get a Republican vote in the House or the Senate. We passed it by one vote in both houses. And it’s clear, we get this. We know how to do this.” (Rep. Dick Gephardt, CNN’s Democrat Candidate Debate, Phoenix, AZ, 10/9/03)

But Fact Is:

But In 1998, Gephardt Said Economic Status Quo Was Not Working For Everyone. “The economic status quo is not working for everyone. This isn’t meant as a criticism of anyone. It’s simply a reminder that we have more work to do to make the economy grow for all Americans.” (Rep. Gephardt, “Taxes: The Time To Reform Is At Hand,” Press Release, 1/20/98)

In 1998 He Also Said Wages Were Stagnant And Struggling Families Needed Relief. “Americans are enjoying increased levels of employment but stagnant wages, it is imperative to give some relief to those struggling to support their families.” (Rep. Gephardt, “Taxes: The Time To Reform Is At Hand,” Press Release, 1/20/98)

In 1995, President Clinton Admitted That He Raised Taxes Too Much. “Probably there are people in this room still mad at me ... because you think I raised your taxes too much.>U> It might surprise you to know that I think I raised them too much, too.” (President Bill Clinton As Quoted In E. J. Dionne Jr., “...And Clinton’s Blunder,” The Washington Post, 10/24/95)

And In 1998, Even Gephardt Said Taxes Were Too High. “Just days ago, millions of tax forms started arriving in mailboxes all across the country. ... They see a tax return that takes far too much time and effort to calculate. And to add insult to injury, they see taxes that are simply too high.” (Rep. Gephardt, “Taxes: The Time To Reform Is At Hand,” Press Release, 1/20/98)

DEAN AND GEPHARDT ON SMALL BUSINESS

They Claim:

Dean Claimed They Would Support Small Business Owners. “The way to help this country’s economy is to invest in small businesses, allow them to have health insurance and help them pay for health insurance, and get them capital.”(Howard Dean, CNN’s Democrat Candidate Debate, Phoenix, AZ, 10/9/03)

Gephardt Claimed They Would Support Small Business Owners. “A small business like yours is having to pay a lot of tax [sic], and my plan would help you and your employees and the employees of every corporation in the country.” (Rep. Dick Gephardt, CNN’s Democrat Candidate Debate, Phoenix, AZ, 10/9/03)

But Fact Is:

Both Gephardt And Dean Want To Eliminate All Of Bush Tax Cuts, Which Would Severely Impact Small Business Owners, Who Receive 79% Of Savings Of Cut In Top Tax Rate. “Of the 750,000 tax filers that would benefit from a reduction in the highest marginal tax rate, more than two-thirds (over 500,000 filers) have some small business income from a sole proprietorship, partnership or S corporation. These small business owners would receive 79 percent of the $13.3 billion in tax savings from reducing the top marginal rate to 35 percent in 2003 instead of 2006.” (“How The Top Individual Income Tax Rate Affects Small Businesses,” Joint Economic Committee, 5/6/03)


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This was received in email at 1:10 a.m (cdt) -- RNC working late to get this Research out so Grassroots like us can spread the word!

Please see that this gets widespread distribution. These are the facts of the debate that the Mainstream (?) Media doesn't see fit to print or report!

1 posted on 10/10/2003 9:14:46 AM PDT by PhiKapMom
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2 posted on 10/10/2003 9:16:56 AM PDT by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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To: MeeknMing; onyx; JohnHuang2; Dog Gone; Dog; isthisnickcool; OKSooner; VOA; mhking; ...

More of the same from the democRAT candidates at their debates which are no debates but forums being used to attack President Bush, Vice President Cheney, and their Administration. The problem is that some "Networks" are actually sponsoring these attack forums called debates. Would like an answer as to why the Fox News Channel, Fair and Balanced that it claims to be, is sponsoring another one of these attack forums in Michigan!

Calling these "debates" is a farce! Whoever heard of that many debates among contenders in a Presidential election? Sounds like a Clinton tactic to be able to attack President Bush by a group of DemocRATs with their willing accomplices in the media now sponsoring part of the debates, week after week!

Can anyone tell me who other than Fox News Channel of the Media has sponsored these debates? I keep thinking ABC has also done this but I am not sure!

3 posted on 10/10/2003 9:23:04 AM PDT by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Don't forget to Visit/donate at http://www.georgewbush.com)
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I hope they fumigated the Orpheum after these guys left, it's a nice theater.
4 posted on 10/10/2003 9:26:05 AM PDT by discostu (The Joan Wilder?!)
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To: PhiKapMom
As always, you take them down with a barrage of well-researched facts.

Step two is to turn those facts into slogans, bullet comments and sound bites. Sharpen their focus so that they become indelible parts of the mosaic anytime someone thinks about these pathetic little weapons of mass distortion.
5 posted on 10/10/2003 9:26:23 AM PDT by .cnI redruM (Zot me and my screen name gets even dorkier!)
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To: discostu
I keep thinking that everytime they show up someplace. Fumigate when leaving!
6 posted on 10/10/2003 9:29:05 AM PDT by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Don't forget to Visit/donate at http://www.georgewbush.com)
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To: .cnI redruM
Was thinking whoever the democRAT nominee is the GOP has a ton of soundbites to play in ads when the democRAT flip flops like Gore.
7 posted on 10/10/2003 9:30:33 AM PDT by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Don't forget to Visit/donate at http://www.georgewbush.com)
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That should be the general rule, but it goes extra for really nice places. I was there last week to see Ian Anderson and was dismayed when I saw the posters for the "debate", I can't believe these guys are so desperate they're campaigning hard over a year out, the public is going to be bored to death by these guys long before election time.
8 posted on 10/10/2003 9:31:34 AM PDT by discostu (The Joan Wilder?!)
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To: PhiKapMom
From the start, this long list of candidates was put out there to tear the President down. The clintons realized the benefits of having 10 people out there lying about the President day after day after day. The media is totally complicit, including Fox News. Why does nobody notice that Fox sounds more and more like CNN every day? Wake up, everybody!
9 posted on 10/10/2003 9:32:15 AM PDT by Wait4Truth
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To: PhiKapMom




Swooooooosh !!

10 posted on 10/10/2003 9:39:57 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (Check out the Texas Chicken D 'RATS!: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/keyword/Redistricting)
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To: PhiKapMom
I couldn't get past Clark's first sentence with responding to this lie:

"I think there's a fundamental difference between Republicans and Democrats on this issue, because it's simply true, the Republicans do like weapon systems and Democrats like people."

Maybe Clark can explain to us why it is that our intelligence institutions have become incompetent failures. Could it be because it has been the Democrats who have taken "people" and resources out of the equation and replaced them with technological mechanisims like satellites and computers. It's ironic that he would bring this up when this is exacly why our intelligence has failed over the last decade....we've trusted machines more than people.
11 posted on 10/10/2003 9:40:56 AM PDT by cwb
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The evidence is there ~ Too bad that the pro-terrorist democrats and their left-wing lackeys in the media are so brain dead!
12 posted on 10/10/2003 10:07:29 AM PDT by blackie
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To: PhiKapMom
This according to DNC

Debate Schedule

Note: Some stations may broadcast the debates at different times. Be sure to check your local listings to see when the debate will air in your area.

Date: September 4, 2003
Location: Albuquerque, NM
Hosted by: Gov. Bill Richardson & the Congressional Hispanic Caucus
Click here to read transcripts and listen to audio files of this debate!

Date: September 25, 2003
Location: New York, NY
Hosted by: CNBC & the Wall Street Journal
Click here to read a transcript of this debate!

Date: October 9, 2003
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Hosted by: Gov. Janet Napolitano & the AZ Democratic Party
Broadcast on: CNN
Time: 8:00 p.m. EDT

Date: October 26, 2003
Location: Detroit, MI
Hosted by: The Congressional Black Caucus
Broadcast on: TBD
Time: TBD

Check back soon for information on two additional debates, to be held in November and December in Iowa and New Hampshire.


13 posted on 10/10/2003 10:42:53 AM PDT by deport (The Many, The Proud, The Winners)
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To: PhiKapMom
"Clark Claims Military Personnel Do Better Under Democrat Administrations."

Then why do military personnel vote overwhelmingly Republican, Weslie?

14 posted on 10/10/2003 11:21:18 AM PDT by SwinneySwitch (Liberalism is Sin!)
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To: Wait4Truth
that's a great analysis, my FRiend. I had never thought of them putting all those dummies out to lie about the President. Makes perfect sense. Lie enough and people will believe it.
15 posted on 10/10/2003 11:49:25 AM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD is still in control!)
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Clark Claims Military Personnel Do Better Under Democrat Administrations

Except they're not allowed to vote.

Even as Gore and Lieberman were making public statements supporting the inclusion of military ballots, their teams of lawyers were in the field fighting to keep it from happening. Obviously the idea that "every vote should count" does not apply to votes by the men and women in the military.


16 posted on 10/10/2003 8:09:24 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: PhiKapMom
DemocRats Suck. I wouldn't vote for one under any circumstances. Not even for dog catcher or trash collector. I'm proud to say I never have.

And I say this as someone who is moderate to liberal on social issues. These people are so low and despicable they make my skin crawl. I will devote the rest of my life to help defeat RATS everywhere. I loathe them. End of rant</>.

17 posted on 10/10/2003 8:14:32 PM PDT by SoCar (Huckabee's "Tax Me More Fund" needs to spread!)
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To: PhiKapMom
Bump!
18 posted on 10/11/2003 5:18:34 AM PDT by windchime
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To: PhiKapMom
Whenever any liberal politicial prefaces a remark with "The fact of the matter is, ...", you know a big lie is coming. I tune out faster for that than when an athlete uses the word "Respect".
19 posted on 10/11/2003 5:25:59 AM PDT by OrioleFan
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To: PhiKapMom
I have thought this from the beginning. Strategically, these debates do nothing for the individual candidates they all sound alike. It is nothing more than an orchestrated and staged effort by the DNC to get hours and hours of free air time on TV, bashing the President.
20 posted on 10/11/2003 5:27:58 AM PDT by Toespi
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