Help The Bush Administration Out Joe Wilson As A Liar (Email To Talk Radio Hosts/Vanity)

Pubbie | 09/29/03 | Pubbie

[Pubbie]

Below are links to threads that prove Joe Wilson is a liar.

Since The Network News Shows will never paint Wilson in a bad light, we need to get the word out to other sources of news ie Radio Talk shows.

Email any Conservative talk show host like Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Laura Ingraham, and G. Gordon Liddy and show them the links to threads about how Joe Wilson is a crook and a liar:

Wilson: I Made it Up Rove Leak Allegation

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/991629/posts

Was it really a secret that Joe Wilson's wife worked for the CIA? (AWESOME Dirt On Joe Wilson!)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/991646/posts

Joseph Wilson Said He Personally Wants Rove Taken Away "In Handcuffs"

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/991661/posts

[Burkeman1]

It does seem strange that this story "suddenly" bursts on the scene now after "brewing" for months.

[M Kehoe]

Five or so years from now, I'd like to be a fly on the wall at the DNC...

"We tried everything. We even had a willing Press that would do Goebbels proud. But nooo, every fiction we manufactured, from the Republicans attempt to steal an election, to Enron, to Bush knew about 9-11, to those 16 words in the SOTU speech, etc., and nothing seemed to work. Damn! I guess character DOES matter." - Terry McAwful.

Imho, the DemocRAT party with it's far left socialist/communist wing will doom all the RATs to political obscurity one day.

5.56mm

[Grampa Dave]

Hopefully you have nailed the pitiful discussions of the top Rats 5 years from now.

[cake_crumb]

"It does seem strange that this story 'suddenly' bursts on the scene now after 'brewing' for months."

Yep. Where has it been all this time? I also should point out - maybe someone else has by now - that if she were REALLY an "operative" in the media-implied, culvert sense of the word, her life would have been in danger. She had over two months completely under the media radar, ample opportunity in the spy game, trust me....why is she still alive? Perhaps she is the paper-pushing analyst everyone believes her to be?

I mean, heck. Geirge Tenet is a CIA "operative" if you choose to think of it that way. He is NOT, obviously, a CIA AGENT.

[cake_crumb]

FOFLOL...you'd HAVE to be a fly on the wal, because none of them will ever admit that in public.

[Burkeman1]

PS- about Haliburton. It is no secret that I have been highly critical of Bush in Iraq and in foreign policy in general. But when it comes to Haliburton and the "contracts" I have to laugh. There are basically only two companies that are capable of doing the rebuilding and upgrading work in Iraq. One is French owned and the other is Haliburton (and maybe Bechtel but they got enough government goodies from the Big Dig). No conspiracy- no "favoritism". Just common sense. I wish we were not in Iraq rebuilding anything but if we are going to be there it only makes sense that an American owned company that can be trusted be given the contracts.

[cake_crumb]

LOL...there's no need to be coy. The company I use to contrast the Haliburton allegations is Total Fina Elf, the French-owned company with the largest oil interest in Iraq before Saddam's downfall.

The UN would prefer we bow to the oil interests of fellow veto-weilding nations which also happened to start the "no blood for oil" chant.

I could have told you before we went in that Saddam's Utopia was a sham that was falling apart, Soviet-style. Maybe I did. I told everyone I could, but the media gloss of Saddam's regime was too bright. It even interfered with the sight of the current administration.

However, regardless of how you feel about the cost of nation building right now, it is NOTHING compared to the cost of patrolling the no-fly zones, protecting the Kurds playing the game of pretending Saddam was complying with the terms of the Gulf War cease fire for 12 years. That is an enormous amount of money in manpower, equipment, dues and aid money. The Gulf War is FINALLY over.

For the reasons above as well as others, I also prefer we use an American company. Help from our alleged allies would still be nice, but I doubt they have the cajones to provide it. They talk about caring, but don't really care.

[Burkeman1]

No not Elf- which is just an oil company- but Schlumberger which is a direct competitor of Haliburton.

[Leroy S. Mort]

If she's a culvert agent...

I think you meant "covert" agent (though your typo may be closer to the truth...).

[okie01]

"It's actually Wilson's Middle East Institute and Clark's vague "Mideast think tank" that's bothering me."

A gentleman named Hecht, I believe, has come forward and identified himself as the "Mideast think tank in Canada". He is an Israeli and the founder and sole employee of this so-called think tank, which is headquartered in Montreal. He and his wife became acquainted with Clark in Brussels, when Clark was serving as NATO commander.

He allowed as how he called Clark on the 12th or 13th to suggest to him that there might have been an Iraq connection to the 9/11 attack. He confessed that he had no idea why Clark had so confused the story, as he wasn't from the White House..."indeed, there isn't even a speck of white paint on my house."

Didn't bookmark the story or I'd include a link. But as Hecht represented Israeli interests and Wilson Saudi interests, this story wouldn't constitute a connection between Wilson and Clark.

[GeorgiaYankee]

Has anyone considered that Joe Wilson was probably not the only person sent to check out the Iraq-Africa uranium story?

Think about it: a dictator who hates the US is rumored to be shopping for uranium in Africa, and all you do is send ONE PERSON to one country, a diplomat, not an investigator, to check it out? Not likely.

I'd say that they had a large team working on this and Wilson was just the public face of the investigation.

All he did was go to Niger and drink mint tea and ask them, "Did Saddam try to buy uranium from you?"

Do you really believe that's the total effort the US would make considering there's potential nukes involved?

[Pubbie]

The British are sticking to their claim Saddam went after Nigerian Uranium.

There's probably much more information about this case that can't be released because much of it is classified.

[dalebert]

thanks for the ping.

[dalebert]

thanks for the ping.

[Palladin]

BUMP

[Brasil]

Thanks for the ping and this thread and the links are the only source, it seems, for the real story.
I watched FOX (and Scarborough) for hours and every program mentioned the 'scandal'. Cliff May was on, Monsoor Ijaz was on, and nowhere was anything covered in depth or with a critical look at Wilson and his bias or ethics.
Hannity mentioned Wilson's confession that he didn't have proof that Rove leaked but he didn't make an issue of it.
This fabricated attack on President Bush is alarming and the people who should be defending him with the truth aren't doing the job.

[PhilDragoo]

If she's a culvert agent, then even a lot of her superiors don't know it.

And if she's making JELLO in a culvert, I want to see her led out in handcuffs--

Or, wrestle Katie Couric in Jello, with or without handcuffs.

Valerie Plame, Culvert Agent, star of The JelloCake File

[JulieRNR21]

From OpinionJournal.com:

The Plame Facts http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A11208-2003Sep27.html

"At CIA Director George J. Tenet's request, the Justice Department is looking into an allegation that administration officials leaked the name of an undercover CIA officer to a journalist," yesterday's Washington Post reported. "The operative's identity was published in July after her husband, former U.S. ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV, publicly challenged President Bush's claim that Iraq had tried to buy 'yellowcake' uranium ore from Africa for possible use in nuclear weapons."

We've been keeping an eye on this story since July, when it first surfaced in the left-wing press. But we haven't commented on it, because we haven't been sure what to make of it. We're still not sure what to make of it, since we've heard only part of one side of the story; the administration has not made any substantive comments, and what we've heard from its accusers has been far from complete. But now that the story is getting attention outside the fever swamps, we thought we'd review what is and isn't known so far.

At issue is the following passage in syndicated columnist Robert Novak http://www.townhall.com/columnists/robertnovak/rn20030714.shtml 's July 14 column:

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Wilson never worked for the CIA, but his wife, Valerie Plame, is an Agency operative on weapons of mass destruction. Two senior administration officials told me Wilson's wife suggested sending him to Niger to investigate the Italian report. The CIA says its counter-proliferation officials selected Wilson and asked his wife to contact him. "I will not answer any question about my wife," Wilson told me.

*** END QUOTE ***

Two days later, The Nation's David Corn http://www.thenation.com/capitalgames/index.mhtml?bid=3&pid=823 published a column that laid out the allegation at the heart of the Post story:

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The sources for Novak's assertion about Wilson's wife appear to be "two senior administration officials." If so, a pair of top Bush officials told a reporter the name of a CIA operative who apparently has worked under what's known as "nonofficial cover" and who has had the dicey and difficult mission of tracking parties trying to buy or sell weapons of mass destruction or WMD material. . . .

This is not only a possible breach of national security; it is a potential violation of law. Under the Intelligence Identities Protection Act of 1982, it is a crime for anyone who has access to classified information to disclose intentionally information identifying a covert agent.

*** END QUOTE ***

A couple of caveats are in order here. First, it remains unconfirmed that Plame was in fact working covertly for the CIA. Novak described her as a CIA "operative," but not an undercover operative. Wilson and the CIA both imply that she was an undercover operative, but they employ various circumlocutions to avoid actually saying so. Thus Corn:

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Without acknowledging whether she is a deep-cover CIA employee, Wilson says, "Naming her this way would have compromised every operation, every relationship, every network with which she had been associated in her entire career.

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The Post, likewise, says "the CIA has declined to confirm whether she was undercover."

In addition, no one in a position to know has publicly fingered the alleged leakers. Wilson himself has said he would like "to see whether or not we can get Karl Rove frog-marched out of the White House in handcuffs," and various anti-Bush conspiracy theorists have latched on to the Rove theory. But this seems to be pure speculation, and possibly wishful thinking. Bush-haters, after all, would love to be rid of Rove, a great political asset to the White House.

The Post's main source narrows the field somewhat:

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A senior administration official said that before Novak's column ran, two top White House officials called at least six Washington journalists and disclosed the identity and occupation of Wilson's wife. . . . The official would not name the leakers for the record and would not name the journalists. The official said there was no indication that Bush knew about the calls.

*** END QUOTE ***

One question that arises is how the Post's source knew that the alleged leakers were "top White House offiicials"--a category that is more specific than Novak's description of "senior administration officials." It's possible is that the Post's source is someone at the CIA who had knowledge of journalists' inquires to the agency about the leaks. Perhaps one or more of the journalists used the more specific description. But the Post account suggests that the source has even more specific knowledge. "The official would not name the leakers for the record," (emphasis ours), the paper says, implying that he did name them off the record. How would he know? Did one of the reporters betray his sources?

Then there's this, also from the Post account:

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When Novak told a CIA spokesman he was going to write a column about Wilson's wife, the spokesman urged him not to print her name "for security reasons," according to one CIA official. . . .

Novak said in an interview [Saturday] night that the request came at the end of a conversation about Wilson's trip to Niger and his wife's role in it. "They said it's doubtful she'll ever again have a foreign assignment," he said. "They said if her name was printed, it might be difficult if she was traveling abroad, and they said they would prefer I didn't use her name. It was a very weak request. If it was put on a stronger basis, I would have considered it."

*** END QUOTE ***

If the revelation of Plame's name was such a serious breach of national security, why didn't the CIA make a stronger pitch to Novak to withhold it? Indeed, as blogger Donald Luskin http://www.poorandstupid.com/2003_09_28_chronArchive.asp#106481688926238042 asks, why did the CIA answer Novak's questions at all?

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Instead of saying "Valerie who? We've never heard of anyone named Valerie" or simply that "We don't answer media inquiries about CIA personnel"--the CIA itself confirmed [her identity], and in so doing the CIA itself leaked it.

*** END QUOTE ***

Then there's the question of motive. Why would Novak's administration sources blow Plame's cover, assuming indeed that they did so? Wilson told Corn the revelation "is intended to intimidate others who might come forward." But this doesn't make sense. An ordinary reader of Novak's column had no way of grasping the purported significance of the revelation. Novak didn't make explicit that he was blowing Plame's cover; what he reported seemed to be more an accusation of nepotism. (Not a very convincing accusation, we might add, since Wilson was not paid for his sojourn to Niger, which is not exactly one of the world's leading vacation spots.) In order for the revelation to have the kind of deterrent value Wilson claims, it would have to be clear to an outsider that Novak had reported something truly damaging--and that couldn't happen without the leakers themselves being incriminated. And in any case, how many administration critics are married to CIA covert operatives?

The Post's source's theory is that "it was meant purely and simply for revenge" against Wilson. Human nature being what it is, one can't rule out such ignoble motives. But as a political matter, taking such action would have been, as the Post's source puts it, "a huge miscalculation." What could have been in it for the administration, or for the leakers? Why risk creating the Bush White House's first-ever scandal over the yellowcake kerfuffle, an issue that no one cared about outside the Beltway and the Bush-hating left? It doesn't sound like something Karl Rove would do.

[TBP]

In other words, he rjob is to sit at a desk in Langley reading computer screens and pieces of paper and writing reports. Still important work, but hardly the kind of employee who would be in danger if her work were exposed. And apparently, the fact that Wilson's wife worked for CIA was no secret.

[mcenedo]

Local news in Jax, FL ran a big story on this.

Truth be damned, Libs have their marching orders.