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Anger at Vatican plan to ban altar girls
Gaurdian (UK) ^ | 24 September 2003 | John Hooper

Posted on 09/24/2003 3:06:09 PM PDT by Lorianne

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To: nickcarraway
Why is it a suicidal religion?

Aren't they all?

181 posted on 09/24/2003 5:36:07 PM PDT by Consort
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To: Chantal
Besides girls cannot keep secrets...they might tell on the pedophile priests.

Pedofile or pederast? There is a difference.

182 posted on 09/24/2003 5:37:43 PM PDT by A. Pole
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To: Chantal
girls cannot keep secrets

There is a big difference between gossiping and being brave enough to come forward with the truth. The light of truth will always give us a reason to strengthen our resolve and adhere more closely to God.

One of the blessings of having a faithful priest or pastor to aid you in your walk with Christ, is his discretion when it comes to personal matters and his belief that God will love you and help you at all times. Often this close interaction and discussion of our lives and our faith, leads us to a greater understanding of God's love. I don't believe you can characterize all priests or pastors' dealings with the parishoners as being cloaked in secrecy or darkness.

183 posted on 09/24/2003 5:39:07 PM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife ("Life isn't fair. It's fairer than death, is all.")
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To: sinkspur
And did you even read McLucas article, or did you tune it out as soon as you saw him say something negative about married deacons?And is Ratzinger "insecure" too?

The problem with the folks who fell hook, line and sinker for all these novelties is that,once they accepted them, they can't admit that they might have made a mistake. It's as if the Coca Cola company insisted that New Coke was better and more popular with people even in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. At least Coca Cola learned from their mistake.

184 posted on 09/24/2003 5:42:32 PM PDT by Clintons a commie
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To: A. Pole
i have been to kentucky many times and have been eaten there..but she wasn't no chicken!!!!!!!!! lol
185 posted on 09/24/2003 5:43:53 PM PDT by cajun-jack
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To: Clintons a commie
Would you please post a link to that article? Thanks.
186 posted on 09/24/2003 5:52:46 PM PDT by Lorianne
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To: Clintons a commie
The problem with the folks who fell hook, line and sinker for all these novelties is that,once they accepted them, they can't admit that they might have made a mistake.

Since these "novelties" (like permanent deacons, and the Anglican dispensation) were approved by two popes, am I correct in assuming that Pius XII (who also changed the liturgy) was the last "real" pope to you?

The Tridentine Mass should be widely available. I'm all for that.

But the Novus Ordo is the normative Mass, we permanent deacons continue to increase in number, and laymen will play an increasingly larger role in the Church.

187 posted on 09/24/2003 5:53:40 PM PDT by sinkspur (Adopt a dog or a cat from a shelter! You'll save at least one life, maybe two!)
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To: Lorianne
And it would rank services jointly celebrated with Protestant ministers or Orthodox priests alongside black masses as one of the four "most serious" abuses

  What I've read of this thread so far was mostly talking about the altar girls, but this was the bit that jumped out at me. Among other things, what would this do to Catholic military chaplains?

  Being a Protestant myself, I can't say I'm too amused with being compared to a Black Mass in seriousness. Ah well, still no skin off my nose.

Drew Garrett

188 posted on 09/24/2003 5:59:10 PM PDT by agarrett
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To: Lorianne
And it would rank services jointly celebrated with Protestant ministers or Orthodox priests alongside black masses as one of the four "most serious" abuses

  What I've read of this thread so far was mostly talking about the altar girls, but this was the bit that jumped out at me. Among other things, what would this do to Catholic military chaplains?

  Being a Protestant myself, I can't say I'm too amused with being compared to a Black Mass in seriousness. Ah well, still no skin off my nose.

Drew Garrett

189 posted on 09/24/2003 5:59:11 PM PDT by agarrett
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To: Cousin Eddie
Whether or not there is a girl standing next to a 10 - 14 year old boy (the age of altar servers) during the mass is not going to affect a young man's decision to enter the priesthood when he is 18 - 20.

The girl's presence at the alter probably means there is one less boy there. If she is not out-right displacing the boy, having her fill the position means there is less ipetus to find a boy to fill the position. As it stands at many churchs today, all of the alter servers are girls and there are no boys. Being an alter server increases the chances of a boy later seeking the priesthood, therefore we should seek to have as many positions filled with boys as possible.

190 posted on 09/24/2003 6:08:44 PM PDT by Flying Circus (As you do pray, so you do believe)
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To: Lorianne
Good.

Let the infidels suffer.

Whoever disbelieves must burn at the stake. We must purify. Altar girls are a sacrledge.

They are not little boys.
191 posted on 09/24/2003 6:10:02 PM PDT by MonroeDNA (No longshoremen were injured to produce this tagline.)
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To: Flying Circus
The girl's presence at the altar probably means there is one less boy there. [...] As it stands at many churches today, all of the altar servers are girls and there are no boys.

There is one important psychological characteristic of boys - they instinctively do not want to appear or be "girly". So girls can push boys out, at least those boys who should be priests. :)

192 posted on 09/24/2003 6:18:30 PM PDT by A. Pole
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To: A. Pole
Where's Askel5 when ya need her?
193 posted on 09/24/2003 6:27:29 PM PDT by Senator Pardek
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To: ArrogantBustard
Well which is it? Is there a shortage of priests or not? You contradicted yourself.
194 posted on 09/24/2003 6:43:37 PM PDT by Lorianne
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To: MonroeDNA
We must purify. Altar girls are a sacrledge.

Are girls are less "pure" than boys? Do they sully the altar?

195 posted on 09/24/2003 6:45:22 PM PDT by Lorianne
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To: agarrett
I agree, the altar girl stuff seems to be the least of it. It is also very Euro-centric in its pronouncements against clapping and dancing .... which seems strange since the largest number of practicing Catholics are not of European origin or culture.

I've lived and worked in Africa and noted the Catholic church there doing some fine work and making many convernts. But the Mass is celebrated in culturally inclusive ways. This missive seems to be dissing women and the culturally non-European in a singularly nasty tone.
196 posted on 09/24/2003 6:48:44 PM PDT by Lorianne
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To: Chantal
Besides girls cannot keep secrets...they might tell on the pedophile priests.

Watch out, my first post on this thread was along this same line and it was deleted along with 2 others talking about the gay priests. But then again I had some Bustard on my behind who obviously thought I shouldn't voice an opinion and hit the cry button.Hope you have better luck.

197 posted on 09/24/2003 6:58:24 PM PDT by SouthernFreebird (constipated people don't give a crap.)
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To: cajun-jack
well ya'll better get some guns and ammo for the ragheads..us fried chicken eatin southern baptists done got ours!!!!

Some of us whisky-swillin' Irish Catholics are prepared as well.

198 posted on 09/24/2003 7:10:14 PM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: Clintons a commie
Thank you for posting that article. It gave me an insight into the priesthood that I never had before.
199 posted on 09/24/2003 7:16:57 PM PDT by NCjim
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To: hilaryrhymeswithrich
You sound learned :)...

I wish I was what I sound.

here is a question for you; After communion is given and you say amen, I was taught not to make the sign of the cross because it detracts from the moment and draws attention to yourself and away from God. My Dad always crosses himself and in our Church it runs about 70/30 who cross themselves after communion......any wisdom?

The Sign of the Cross is quite probably the oldest sacramental in Christendom.

It is an expression of one's faith in God's triune nature.

When one uses it as it was intended - namely, to express faith - it is never inappropriate.

Surely one of the best times to express one's faith in the mystery of the Trinity is at the exact moment when one partakes of the mystery of the Incarnation.

There is no good or canonically legitimate reason to forbid someone from making the Sign of the Cross at communion - it is a good and pious practice.

200 posted on 09/24/2003 7:36:06 PM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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