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New California Field Poll leaked
Field Poll | September 20, 2003 | Field Poll

Posted on 09/20/2003 3:21:43 PM PDT by carbon14

Recall (yes)...53%

Bustamante.....28% Schwarzenegger.26% MadClintock....14%

For comparison (Field Poll August 18) Bustamante.....25% Schwarzenegger.22% MadClintock.....9% Simon...........8% Ueberroth.......5% Huffington......2%


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: california; fieldpoll; mcclintock; polls; recall; schwarzenegger
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To: Seeking the truth
Didn't just a small percentage of the members of the forum participate in the poll? And many of us who did participate aren't Californians!
These discussions are interesting, each one seems to go a slightly different direction even if there are a lot of similarities.
141 posted on 09/20/2003 4:40:15 PM PDT by BonnieJ
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To: stboz
I agree. Note I was quoting another poster and those words were not my own.
142 posted on 09/20/2003 4:40:52 PM PDT by cyncooper (I believe VP Cheney)
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To: =Intervention=
You still don't get it. Read the definition that I gave you of a liberal. NO leftist is a true liberal. A leftist is a socialist/fascist/statist big gov't supporter, not a supporter of individual rights of the common man, not a supporter of property rights. The leftists support subjugation of individual rights to the state, that is not a liberal. A liberal is more closely aligned with the neo-cons. As a matter of fact, most of the neo-cons are liberals who fled the Democrat party after it was high-jacked by the Democratic Socialists of America.
143 posted on 09/20/2003 4:42:17 PM PDT by Eva
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To: Seeking the truth
I'm up to speed....... I know exactly what you were citing... My point was that no matter what the FR polls show it's not always what the public at large does..... thus the reference to Keyes Buchanan winning the FR polls but sucking hind teat when the rubber met the road on election day...... Now maybe you are up to speed.... [who led the first poll up, Arnold or Tom?]
144 posted on 09/20/2003 4:43:23 PM PDT by deport
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To: Snerfling
" In the real world, people look for revenge."

In the real world, people rally around their heroes. You missed my whole point (not surprisingly) because it used your own motif against you! I said that the grass roots would end the careers of Parsky and the rest of the elites who run the party if McC loses. They'd vote them out. That's revenge right there. You also missed the point of a previous poster -- McC would clean up on the talk-show / book-writing circuit.

Again, the people that supported McC here will continue to do so even if he loses the election. In fact, he'll have won admirers across the country because of his stand. A stand for principles wins you admirers and supporters from near and far. That's something you should factor into your analysis of the 'real world'. :)
145 posted on 09/20/2003 4:43:55 PM PDT by =Intervention= (Moderatism has no ideals worth fighting for, and her champions are parasites upon the republic.)
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To: NordP
Careful Nord...

Capitalizing on Arnold's celebrity is a no-no among the "vote-for-Tom-even-if-it-means-a-bustamante-win" crowd.

Good point though. :)

146 posted on 09/20/2003 4:43:59 PM PDT by South40 (Vote Mcclintock, elect bustamante)
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To: carbon14
From previous Field Poll on Sept 10 we see that Arnold not only does better overall, he has almost twice as many Republican votes as McClinton. Arnold leads among Independents and even has more than 10% of the Dems. McClinton is almost an asterisk beyond the Republican party... and he expects to win?

Table 2
Voter preferences to replace Davis as Governor without Ueberroth – by subgroup
(among likely voters)
Bustamante Schwarzenegger Mc-Clintock Others None/Undecided
Likely voters – statewide 32% 27 14 9 18
Party registration
(.43) Democrats 61% 11 4 12 12
(.39) Republicans 4% 43 28 2 23
(.18) Non-partisans/others* 19% 30 8 17 26
147 posted on 09/20/2003 4:44:05 PM PDT by Dave S
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To: thoughtomator
I am sure that Tom can handle himself

How generous of you. What part of Calif are you from? Do you know what McC's home turf is like in T.O.? Do you think the boys in Westake Village and N. Ranch will be going to see McC on the lecture circuit?

Actually, from what I've seen of him over the last few months, I really think he might have some financial difficulties after this thing plays out. His wife already works part time at a church in Elk Grove. He's gonna really have to scramble to make ends meet.

This still might turn out to be a sad story in one of those 'whatever happened to"? types of stories a few years from now.

148 posted on 09/20/2003 4:44:15 PM PDT by Snerfling
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To: Seeking the truth
No I am saying that online polls, even FR polls, are far from scientific and offer, at best, anecdotal evidence of support levels on an issue.

Just because FR offers an online poll it does not mean that poll offers an accurate reflection of the sentiments of Freepers as a whole. It simply shows the support levels from among (a) those Freepers who know that there is an online poll, and from there among (b)those who chose to participate in said poll.

149 posted on 09/20/2003 4:44:31 PM PDT by BlueNgold (Feed the Tree .....)
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To: oceanview
something to build on in an otherwise solidly Dem state

I don't see that happening. Ask Mayor Bloomberg how many Republicans he has helped to bring to victory in NYC.
150 posted on 09/20/2003 4:46:53 PM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: Eva
"Read the definition that I gave you of a liberal."

That definition has not been correct ever since the '60's and when the McGovernites took over the Democratic party. Look around you. The people that call themselves liberals do NOT support the things that you say they do. I'm still waiting for your examples of a liberal politician that supports these things, or one that truly loves his/her country, or a liberal that is not a leftist.
151 posted on 09/20/2003 4:46:59 PM PDT by =Intervention= (Moderatism has no ideals worth fighting for, and her champions are parasites upon the republic.)
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To: thoughtomator
FYI 9 percent to 14 percent represents a 56% increase in support, not a drop.

And if the latest results are accurate, then McClinton hasnt increased his share since Ueberroth left the race when he also had 14%. Is that your idea of surging? He still only has about 25% of the Republican vote. When is he going to start campaigning. The vote could be held in a couple weeks.

152 posted on 09/20/2003 4:47:16 PM PDT by Dave S
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To: NordP; South40
What does the ability to get media attention matter if, given the opportunity, he uses it 9 times out of 10 to advance liberalism and socialism?

It's not as if a governor of California doesn't have the tools simply by virtue of the office to be heard in the media.
153 posted on 09/20/2003 4:47:35 PM PDT by thoughtomator (Right Wing Crazy #5338526)
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To: ambrose
Let's see if this is even a "Field Poll" before discussing this seriously. No source has been provided.

Field poll was just conducted and the overall recall results were presented on Thursday. This is likely the additional questions that were asked that were to be published on Sunday.

154 posted on 09/20/2003 4:48:29 PM PDT by Dave S
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To: Mark Felton
>>>A fiscally-conservative (socially liberal) outsider who can appeal to the masses is far superior to a conservative party hack who has been a career politican with no appeal to the masses.

If I didn't know better, I would say you're talking about Tom McClintock. Except you did mention "socially liberal". That excludes McClintock for sure. But the simple facts are obvious to thos eof us who understand what a fiscal conservative is.

A true fiscal conservative like Tom McClintock supports cuts in marginal income tax rates associated with supply side economics. Which lead to increases in spending, savings and investment. Reducing or eliminating capital gains taxes, death taxes and additional taxes on small business. Instituting real spending cuts related to bureaucartic waste, fraud and abuse. Defunding agencies that are duplicated elsewhere and cutting functions that could be better handled by the private sector. Reducing excessive regulations on businesses that not required. And a biggie, eliminating deficits without tax increases.

I've never heard Arnold talk about these issues in any way, shape or form in the last month. His casual undertanding of Milton Friedman's economic positions don't count either. Tom McClintock said in the last debate, his favortie book was "Free To Choose" by Milton Friedman. And as he said, he actually read it.

155 posted on 09/20/2003 4:48:35 PM PDT by Reagan Man (The few, the proud, the conservatives.)
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To: South40
CORRECTION:

Bustamante.....28%

Schwarzenegger.....26%

MadClintock.....NO CHANCE

I am supporter of McClintock. I also agree he will not win, so I will vote for the strong man Arnold...

However, I do not like the "MadClintock" ad hominem. He is a good man and we need him. Maybe we can coax Arnold to appoint him to the California Supreme Court.

156 posted on 09/20/2003 4:49:52 PM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: =Intervention=
McC would clean up on the talk-show / book-writing circuit.

Like I posted before, I'm really starting to believe that most FReepers live in a dream world. Have you ever done any public speaking or organized a road show? Have you ever written a (non-self) published book? Do you think you just set these things up and the money starts to flow?

Take it from someone who has done both and knows how hard the game is. One has to give Arianna some credit with what she's pulled off, but then she's a pro.

McC is a duffer who has spent his entire working life in public office. Mark my words, this episode and the resulting recriminations will ultimately make your favorite martyr a sad footnote.

157 posted on 09/20/2003 4:49:59 PM PDT by Snerfling
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To: Theodore R.
Exactly!!!! That's the whole thing! If AS wins, he won't be bringing in any other conservative candidates in the state (tiny coattails), and he drags the whole party further left, esp. when they have to support him for his re-election. (And how do you think the grass-roots will think about that? These are the same people who elected Simon in the primaries!)

Putting your support behind Arnold is a double whammy. It not only means you sell out your principles now, but you mute them in order to get him re-elected, and live with more liberal and moderates getting elected. It's not a one-time shot, but the opening chapter in a book of slow death.
158 posted on 09/20/2003 4:50:58 PM PDT by =Intervention= (Moderatism has no ideals worth fighting for, and her champions are parasites upon the republic.)
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To: thoughtomator
If 32% are undecided, it's that group that really has the chance to choose the new governor

People that are undecided this close to an election typically dont vote.

159 posted on 09/20/2003 4:51:08 PM PDT by Dave S
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To: thoughtomator
What does the ability to get media attention matter if, given the opportunity, he uses it 9 times out of 10 to advance liberalism and socialism?

It matters if it's used only to keep a racist mexican from becoming California's next governor.

160 posted on 09/20/2003 4:51:50 PM PDT by South40 (Vote Mcclintock, elect bustamante)
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