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La-La Land Pols: We Can't Say Muslims Caused 9/11 [Ted Hayes, L.A. City Council, anti-terrorism?]
www.newsmax.com ^ | September 12, 2003 | NewsMax

Posted on 09/12/2003 3:19:22 PM PDT by RonDog

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1 posted on 09/12/2003 3:19:24 PM PDT by RonDog
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To: AnnaZ; Mercuria; feinswinesuksass; DoughtyOne; Cinnamon Girl; Tony in Hawaii; Bob J; diotima; ...
Here is the FULL TEXT of that resolution, with the disputed text highlighted:

Resolution
The September 11th Sunrise Vigil:
Lest We Forget
WHEREAS, the attacks against the United States of America on September 11, 2001 mark the beginning of our homeland defense against terrorism;

WHEREAS, the attacks have caused U.S. citizens to denounce any group, organization, or nation who dare to threaten or carry out acts of terror against America and her allies;

WHEREAS, the attacks have forced all of us to be more vigilant against any such acts of terror in the future and be ready to defend ourselves at all times;

WHEREAS, in remembering the victims of September 11, 2001 and their loved-ones, friends, and business associates, we also remember and acknowledge the truth as to who the perpetrators themselves claim to be, that is, Muslims, carrying out the will of the Deity of their religion known as Islam;

WHEREAS, backed and fully supported by all citizens in Los Angeles, we encourage Muslim-Americans to increase and intensify their open and public denouncements of those members within their religion and umma (community) who continue to engage in acts of terror throughout the world;

WHEREAS, in order to keep alive the memory of the victims of September 11, 2001 and the damage done to our nation, "September 11th Sunrise Vigil" will take place this September 11, 2003;

WHEREAS, the "September 11th Sunrise Vigil" will be the first memorial event of the day in the City of Los Angeles which was inspired and orchestrated by Homeless activist, Ted Hayes and a small band of Homeless people from Justiceville/Homeless, USA, The Dome Village, and Rabbi Allen Freehling;

WHEREAS, the participation of Homeless people in the event presents a gesture of patriotism from the poorest of the poor and demonstrates to every U.S. citizen that love of country must transcend every level of American society;

NOW, THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED, that by the adoption of this resolution that the Los Angeles City Council and the Mayor recognize the "September 11th Sunrise Vigil" that will be held this September 11, 2003 on the South Lawn of City Hall and joins in remembering the thousands of lives taken from us on that infamous day of September 11, 2001, acknowledging as a city that we will never forget this tragic day in our country’s history.

PRESENTED BY:
Jan Perry
Councilwoman, District Nine

2 posted on 09/12/2003 3:21:54 PM PDT by RonDog
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To: RonDog
Don't you know ... Only Christians are capable of evil.
3 posted on 09/12/2003 3:22:01 PM PDT by Mark was here
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To: daviddennis
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EYEWITNESS REPORT: Ted Hayes' 9/11 Memorial in Downtown LA 09/11/2003
My reporting ^ | 09/11/2003 | David H Dennis
Posted on 09/11/2003 10:41 AM PDT by daviddennis

"We must make the dead know that their sacrifices were not in vain."

This has been one of the major guiding points of the philosophy of Ted Hayes, Homeless Activist. Through protests, memorials and vigils, Ted's aim has been steadfast: To bring support to our troops, past and present, and to honor the sacrifices others have made in the name of the greater good of patriotism.

To share in this honoring of the dead, a group of about fifty people gathered at 5:00am in Downtown LA for a memorial commemorating the dead of 9/11.

The Memorial had two parts. The first one was on the lawn in front of City Hall to honor the dead of 9/11.

This part had an uncharacteristically subdued Ted Hayes in a surprisingly passive mode, mainly introducing speakers and reminding us of the importance of the day.

The first speaker was a teacher who reminded us that the fight against our enemies is not confined to those on foreign shores; many in acadamia are trying to make excuses for the terrorists, sometimes implying that our system is somehow even worse than theirs. America-hating is very common, he said, and we should be vigilant in rooting it out - or our children will think that our country is truly evil.

The second speaker, John B (Mr B Goes to Washington here) spoke well about the continued challenges we face to keep the War on Terrorism in the public eye. It's particularly difficult to keep focused hen things are going well on the home front, especially if things seem to be going badly in Iraq and Afghanistan.

We then had a reading of the names of those Los Angeles residents who died. Unfortunately, I was exhaused holding up the camera for all that time, so I took a break during the reading.

I should not have; some of the most moving parts of the memorial were during the reading. One of the speakers was in tears as she read the names; the others weren't in much better shape. It was a profoundly moving experience.

Ted then spoke, reminding us that Osama and pals should have read some American history and understood that we have a long and honorable history of saying "Don't Tread on Me". At that point, an original song of that title was performed, and it was very good.

We then broke up and reassembled at the nearby memorial for Japanese killed in World War II. Surprisingly, considering the distance and logistical confusion, almost everyone who came for the first part went over to the second. I came close to dropping out because I was truly exhausted from a lack of sleep and carrying the camera for so long, but fortunately I managed to tap some inner reserve of strength.

I'm glad I did, because Ted Hayes' speech at the memorial was one of his best. He pointed out that during World War II, when the Japanese were put in internment camps and generally treated poorly, their sons and daughters nonetheless went to fight for America, and many died. The memorial has the name of everyone who fought or wound up in an internment camp.

He said that the sacrifices of these people was powerful, as were the sacrifices of his own people.

So he asked "Where are the Muslims?"

The Japanese helped us when we fought the Japanese.

Where are the Muslims now that we need to fight Muslims?

Are Muslims loyal to our country or theirs?

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4 posted on 09/12/2003 3:22:56 PM PDT by RonDog
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To: boris
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Motion Tying Muslims to Terror Dies
Los Angeles Times ^ | 09-12-2003 | Jessica Garrison
Posted on 09/12/2003 7:36 AM PDT by boris

Motion Tying Muslims to Terror Dies

Council members Perry and Villaraigosa express regret over 'divisive' resolution blaming group for 2001 attacks and other incidents.

By Jessica Garrison, Times Staff Writer

Los Angeles City Council members Jan Perry and Antonio Villaraigosa said Thursday that they had made a mistake when they signed a resolution blaming Muslims for the Sept. 11 attacks and other acts of terrorism.

The motion, which the elected officials said had been drafted by an advocate for the homeless, Ted Hayes, and which Villaraigosa said he had signed without reading carefully, said that "in remembering the victims of Sept. 11 we also remember and acknowledge the truth as to who the perpetrators themselves claim to be, that is, Muslims, carrying out the will of the Deity of their religion known as Islam."

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5 posted on 09/12/2003 3:25:08 PM PDT by RonDog
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There are a lot of horses' patoots in public office. It seems, however, that the dumbest of the dumb tend to congregate on the City Councils of America's largest cities. Any Council member who finds this Resolution "offensive" as written is not unly unfit to be on the Council, he/she is unfit to be a toilet attendant in a city park. IMHO.

Congressman Billybob

Latest column, "Paying the Wrong Piper," discussion thread on FR. Article is also on ChronWatch.

6 posted on 09/12/2003 3:27:39 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob (Everyone talks about Congress; I am doing something about it.)
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To: RonDog
Villaraigosa agreed and fretted: "They put motions like this in front of you all the time. They put it in front of me, and I signed it."

Now there's the real story that should be investigated.

7 posted on 09/12/2003 3:27:56 PM PDT by mtbopfuyn
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To: Congressman Billybob
Any Council member who finds this Resolution "offensive" as written is not unly unfit to be on the Council, he/she is unfit to be a toilet attendant

I don't know... Davis wants to sign a new education bill requiring the public school toilets to be clean. It looks like he can use new government employees with experience in this area.

-PJ

8 posted on 09/12/2003 3:33:07 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (It's not safe yet to vote Democrat.)
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To: RonDog
WHEREAS, in remembering the victims of September 11, 2001 and their loved-ones, friends, and business associates, we also remember and acknowledge the truth as to who the perpetrators themselves claim to be, that is, Muslims, carrying out the will of the Deity of their religion known as Islam;

Let me assure each of you that I am on your side, but the wording of this does bother me a bit.

The who is clarified in red, but the what is stated as fact in blue.

This is what I think the author was trying to say:

WHEREAS, in remembering the victims of September 11, 2001 and their loved-ones, friends, and business associates, we also remember and acknowledge the truth as to who the perpetrators themselves claimed to be, that was, Muslims, and what they claimed to be doing, that was, carrying out the will of the Deity of their religion known as Islam;

It would take someone much more brushed up on English than I to judge this fairly, but I think my version aleviates a real problem.

9 posted on 09/12/2003 3:37:21 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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10 posted on 09/12/2003 3:39:09 PM PDT by StatesEnemy
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To: RonDog
acknowledge the truth as to who the perpetrators themselves claim to be, that is, Muslims,

CLAIM to be. If Islam is a religion of peace then these people are CLAIMING to be Muslims and are not actually Muslims (whether it is a relion of peace is for another discussion).


WHEREAS, backed and fully supported by all citizens in Los Angeles, we encourage Muslim-Americans to increase and intensify their open and public denouncements of those members within their religion and umma (community) who continue to engage in acts of terror throughout the world;

Is that too hard to ask? Don't ask terrorists to stop their attacks on civilians or your fellow citizens. Every time I read this crap from Islamic centers or organizations about how racist we are I wonder where these people come from.
11 posted on 09/12/2003 3:39:09 PM PDT by bitcon
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12 posted on 09/12/2003 3:42:05 PM PDT by VU4G10 (Have You Forgotten?)
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To: Mrs Mark
Don't you know ... Only Christians are capable of evil.
For an alternative opinion, see this CLASSIC analysis - by The Blonde One. :o)

We'll pay them reparations later
(Ann Coulter Solution to Muslim Extremists is Ethnic Profiling)

worldnetdaily ^ | 12/26/2001 | Ann Coulter
Posted on 12/26/2001 5:33 PM PST by TLBSHOW

We'll pay them reparations later

In response to the attempted bombing last week of an American Airlines jet by Tariq Raja – aka Abdel Rahim, aka Richard "Saltonstall" Reid IV, aka "Biff" – the airlines sprang to action with random passenger shoe checks.

According to the New York Times, there is no discernible pattern in the airlines' choice of fliers targeted for aggressive footwear examination.

At the Atlanta airport, for example, the passengers whose shoes were searched "included a flight attendant, an elderly black man, a white man wearing a cowboy hat and boots, and an Asian woman with two small children."

New York Times columnist Thomas Friedman responded to this latest attack by summarily announcing that our only choices are to "become less open as a society" or simply "to live with much higher levels of risk."

I think I have another solution. It's something I like to call "ethnic profiling." My logic is this: There is a common thread hidden within 20 years of relentless attacks on America by Muslim extremists: In every one of these attacks by Muslim extremists, there appears to be one or more Muslim extremists involved. This ought to help the airlines engage in more accurate risk assessment.

Tariq "Biff" Raja attended the same mosque as Zacarias Moussaoui, the suspected 20th hijacker in the Sept. 11 attack. (The New York Times has yet to report Tariq's connection to the mosque, though the paper will surely print that fact before any of the media will ever breathe a word about the story reported in the San Francisco Examiner that American jihadist John Walker's father left Mrs. Walker for another man.) The men who used passenger jets to attack America on Sept. 11 were Muslim extremists.

Last year, our warship, the USS Cole, was attacked by Muslim extremists.

In 1998, U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed by Muslim extremists, killing 212 people and wounding thousands.

In 1996, Muslim extremists exploded a truck bomb outside an Air Force housing complex in Saudi Arabia, killing 19 and injuring hundreds more.

In 1995, five Americans were killed in a car bomb explosion executed by Muslim extremists.

In 1993, the World Trade Center was bombed by Muslim extremists, killing six and injuring thousands.

Also in 1993, Muslim extremists plotted to assassinate then U.S. President George Bush. (Intriguingly, the word "assassin" comes from a Muslim sect active in the 11th to 13th centuries known as "the Assassins" for their religious practice of murdering infidels.)

In 1988, another passenger jet, Pan Am Flight 103, was bombed by Muslim extremists, killing 270 people.

In 1986, Muslim extremists bombed a West Berlin discotheque frequented by U.S. servicemen.

In 1985, Muslim extremists seized an Italian cruise ship, the Achille Lauro, and murdered Leon Klinghoffer, a 69-year-old, wheelchair-bound American.

In 1983, Muslim extremists blew up U.S. Marine barracks in Beirut, killing 241 American servicemen.

In 1982, Muslim extremists bombed the U.S. Embassy in Beirut, killing 49 people, including 17 Americans.

In 1979, Muslim extremists stormed the U.S. Embassy in Iran and held American Embassy staff hostage for 444 days.

So, naturally, it took the airlines completely by surprise last week when the passenger who tried to detonate a sneaker bomb on a passenger jet turned out to be a Muslim extremist...

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13 posted on 09/12/2003 3:42:17 PM PDT by RonDog
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"It is singling out Muslims as a suspected group."

Who SUSPECTS Muslims of having planned and carried out the 9/11/01 attacks?? We all KNOW Muslims planned and carried out the 9/11/01 attacks!

14 posted on 09/12/2003 3:44:09 PM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: bitcon
Amd they DO claim to have murdered over 3,000 people in the name of their deity, Allah. None of that is in dispute...except in Loonie, La La Lefty Land.
15 posted on 09/12/2003 3:50:13 PM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: RonDog; mtbopfuyn
Mtbopfuyn, your name may be nearly impossible to spell, but you are absolutely correct.

At the event, Ted Hayes singled Jan Perry out for praise for having apparently shopped it around to other councilmembers, encouraging them to sign.

Does this mean Jan Perry would promote a proclamation that she didn't even read?

Folks, we have a City Council of morons. If they want to be politically correct morons, they surely should know enough about Ted by now to read every word of what he puts in front of their faces.

If nothing else, this is a great joke on the City Council.

D
16 posted on 09/12/2003 3:53:37 PM PDT by daviddennis
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To: DoughtyOne
The wording is a little tricky here, but your point is well taken...when I read the passage I thought the same thing...your substitutions should be incorporated...

However, I believe the twits on the council were not taking such a careful review...

They probably believe Islam is a religion of Peace.

DD

17 posted on 09/12/2003 4:11:37 PM PDT by DiamondDon1 (Official Tombot, Member VRWC)
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Thanks DD for the comments. I like DavidDennis thought that this is a great joke on the city council if nothing else. LOL I like that idea.

We got the proclamation signed, and with the wording that is the most damning, even if it may be poorly worded at one point.
18 posted on 09/12/2003 5:05:08 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: RonDog
I see nothing wrong in the wording or insensitive of the resolution. The resolution states that the terrorist claim to be Muslims carrying out the will of the Deity of their religion known as Islam. Is this true or not?
Next, the resolution 'encourage Muslim-Americans to increase and intensify their open and public denouncements of those members within their religion and umma (community) who continue to engage in acts of terror throughout the world.' Maher Hathout fumed and was outraged. I would like to ask why? Then it was said that 'it is completely contrary to the spirit of Los Angeles', if this is so then I would like to ask 'just what is the spirit of Los Angeles'?
Now, for my own opinion and experience, I haven't seen or heard any Muslim-Americans speak out against any terrorist but I have heard and seen them speak out against Americans and America. I have seen them disrespect the American Flag in the schools. I have also drawn some conclusions about 'TWO NAMED HYPHEN' Americans which in their mind, they are the first name first and then an American. Think about it for a minute about anyone that uses the 'TWO NAMED HYPHEN', and listen to them talk. Heck, these people may not have ever been out of their state in their lives and don't know anyone in another country and may be more than twice removed from their country but to listen to them talk, America is the bad guy or America should do more in the way of money, goods and lives. Then, if it's another country that America is helping and it's not their first of TWO NAMES then America is still the bad guy. My thinking, is for these 'TWO NAME HYPHEN' Americans to drop the first name and become true Americans, that put Americas' interest and American citizens FIRST.
19 posted on 09/12/2003 6:32:42 PM PDT by AIC
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To: RonDog
I don't want to here anymore about how loony liberal Mn. is!
20 posted on 09/12/2003 9:58:13 PM PDT by Valin (There is all the difference in the world between treating people equally and attempting to make them)
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