California recall Tom Mclintock for Governor Rally, Temecula, Ca 09/05/2003 (Pics)

Self ^ | 09/05/2003 | Joseph Ranos

[Sonar5]

Hi all,

With help from my son we passed out about exactly 180 fliers to those at the rally. We made up 200 of them for exactly $5.79. This is a great issue folks, most folks we talked to were not aware of the "Unintended Consequences" of SB 60 Which Davis signed this evening.

I gave extended information to the following Press:

Christian Science Monitor
San Diego Union-Tribune
Press-Enterprise
The Californian
A few others with the proper notepads or cameras.

California Republican Assembly

Senator Tom McClintock
Senator Hollingsworth
Tony Strickland (running against Barbara Boxer for US Senate)
Michael Naggar Mayor Pro-Tem of Temecula

I gave a couple interviews. One with the San Diego Tribune, and talked with a reporter from The Press Enterprise.

When I spoke with Senator McClintock, I had him for the longest, and the press had all their microphones and cameras at us.

But the biggest surprise was when I asked to have my picture taken with him. Apparently the press there had read or listened to the conversation I had with him earlier, and they took a ton of photos of the two of us.

I'll let you know if any show up. I doubt it, since their were some kids there.

My fear is that now that this bill has been signed into law, they will enact more laws for law abiding citizens instead of removing SB 60.

He didn't bring up my issue in the speech, but he did stick my info in his pocket and replied to me that "I had a good point and he had not thought of this issue that way".

My son said he enjoyed it, and hopefully we will have our pictures with the next Governor of California.

Regards,
Joe
Sonar5
AboutPolitics.net

Pic of Senator Tom McClintock & I

Pic of Tony Strickland and I

Pic of Tom giving speech

9mb Video from rally in AVI Format

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FULL TEXT of FLYER
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DAVIS TO ALLOW illegal aliens to Buy Guns Dump Governor Davis, and here is the biggest reason why. I have not seen this issue raised anywhere but through my website, AboutPolitics.net.

Governor Davis will sign into Law a bill that will allow illegal aliens to get a Drivers License. HOW STUPID IS THAT- What that means is any terrorist, that once in California, gets a Drivers license very easily, can then go BUY GUNS. This is a national security issue that affects all California citizens, as well as our nation.

From the California DOJ website located here:
http://caag.state.ca.us/firearms/pubfaqs.htm
“2. What is the process for purchasing a firearm in California?

All firearms purchases and transfers, including private party transactions and sales at gun shows, must be made through a licensed dealer under the Dealer Record of Sale (DROS) process. California imposes a 10-day waiting period before a firearm can be released to a buyer or transferee. A person must be at least 18 years of age to purchase a rifle or shotgun. To buy a handgun, a person must be at least 21 years of age, and either 1) possess an HSC plus successfully complete a safety demonstration with the handgun being purchased or 2) qualify for an HSC exemption.

As part of the DROS process, the buyer must present "clear evidence of identity and age" which is defined as a valid, non-expired California Driver's License or Identification Card issued by the Department of Motor Vehicles. A military identification accompanied by permanent duty station orders indicating a posting in California is also acceptable.
(PC Section 12071) "

The DROS (dealers record of sales of firearms), asks if you are a citizen, here is what the bottom of the DROS states:

(FALSIFICATION OF INFORMATION ON THIS FORM IS A MISDEMEANOR (PENAL CODE 12076)

Ask Governor Davis how many people have been prosecuted in 2002 for falsifying the DROS form. Makes you wonder, huh?

No longer will Social Security Numbers be required on drivers Licenses because of this bill, that Governor Davis signed, Which means when the DOJ does a check, it will most likely show up no record at all, which means the illegal alien gets the gun.

Share this information with your relatives, friends, neighbors, and loved ones immediately.

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Original file is in Open Office Format
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My Orginal Post yesterday regarding this issue can be found here:

My Original Post is here.

[Sonar5]

Hi all,

Thanks for all the comments. I am a very principled person as I consider ethics and integrity more important than sacrificing my values for someone that considers the killing of over 30 million children a right.

When Roe v wade is overturned, it then goes back to the states .

I will be voting for Senator McClintock because he best represents my views.

I urge all to look deeply into your own views and simply decide what is best for you.

I've read Arnold's views, and he simply does not represent the core values and beliefs that I subscribe to.

Senator McClintock does.

But unless Senator McClintock raises the bar on drivers licenses as the major issue and that of a national security issue, I also fear he may not garner enough support.

You have Davis now making racist attacks on Arnold. Bustamante refusing to disavow his membership in a racist organization and skirting the contribution laws, and Senator McClintock the ONLY consistent view candidate in this race.

It is Arnold that should drop out of this race, not McClintock.

Remember, California'a legislature is dominated by the left. It will be difficult for whoever is elected.

So, while Arnold may be the best chance right now, I won't leave my morals and values at the entrance to the voting booth.

I will bring them in with me.

Best Regards,
Joe

[A CA Guy]

I think they provided lunch, so about a whopping 200 supporters thought that was worth listening to him for.

[dcwusmc]

I do have some problems with your stances... First, the SSN should be DELINKED from the driver license. Never should have been linked to begin with. It has become a de facto National ID.

Second, the issue of firearms is that we need no such checks ANYWAY. ANY CHECKS such as brady are utterly UNCONSTITUTIONAL. So what you are saying is that you want to beat up Grayout Devious with bogus issues, instead of REAL issues. Some "Conservative" you are.

[Sonar5]

So by your OBVIOUSLY flawed theory, any one, including illegal immigrants should simply be able to walk up and buy a gun, eh?

Sorry, your little attack aside, I'm not playing your game.

You call national security a bogus issue, and you call yourself a Marine.

Give me a break.

Have a day,
Joe

[Sonar5]

The speeches didn't start until 5:45 pm, and it was dinner following the rally, not lunch.

You're very well informed. Keep up the good work.

[A CA Guy]

The point was he provided the food to get the measly 200 people there...he's pathetic at this point.

[Sonar5]

And that would be an incorrect assumption on your part, and also there were closer to 300 people there, not 200.

This rally has been set up for quite a while, as it was billed as fighting the car tax rally, not originally as a Tom for Governor Rally.

But of course, I'm sure your information is much better than mine, so we'll just have everyone believe you, ok?

[A CA Guy]

You can't be that informed in general to be associating with a political hack who is giving the governor's job to a militant Democrat.

Being Tom is working for the Democrats now that absentee ballots are going out, when is this Democrat going to make it official and switch parties?

If you know more stuff about this Napoleon, you must know that.

[dcwusmc]

What part of "...SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED" troubles you?

[Sonar5]

heheheh....

You've made your inept point, so move along now Arnie supporter...

get ready for your tax increase formArnold, I'm sure that is what we all need right now.

pathetic.....

[Sonar5]

The part where people like you want every illegal alien in california to be able to own guns...

How about that part...

[A CA Guy]

My point is this is a betrayal of California conservatives to knowingly split the vote and get militant Democrats elected.

McClintock and those who throw their votes down a hole are passively electing radical Democrats.

How screwed up are people to be associating themselves with that?

If the numbers were reversed, we'd expect Arnold to leave. (which he would have done earlier with class...unlike McClintock).

So this is not a game of who's the most conservative. This is a fight for the survival of California and not getting a radical Democrat elected.

The McClintock camp and followers are enabling the take over of the Governor's job by a Militant Democrat.

Don't dare think of bringing up Tom or his followers as any form of conservatives again, because their principles in getting Democrats elected are contrary to their lip service.

ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS AND WE ARE ALL WATCHING WHAT McClintock HAS DONE TO CALIFORNIA WITH THIS RACE!

[Sonar5]

It's Arnold who should drop out, not Tom. McClintock has the skills, and the ideas to fix california, Arnold does not, IMHO.

It is McClintock and his campaign that are already starting and are involved in repealing the license law by getting us a referendum on the march Ballot.

Arnold says he weill repeal it.

Guess what, Arnold, you can't just repeal that one, since it went through the legislature.

How can you expect someone to run the largest economy in the United States when he doesn't even understand how to repeal a bad law.

Arnold is a pathetic excuse for a politician who needs to either present sound ideas or get the hell out of the way for McClintock, the only truely qualified candidate in this race.

m ethinks you should either present facts about what Arniold is going to do, which would be a feat in iteslf, or show me where Tom has done the things you accuse him of.

Regards,
Joe

[dcwusmc]

I can't seem to find that part in the Constitution. Perhaps it's because it matters not a whit who owns or possesses what arms, but what sort of THINGS ONE DOES with them... it is improper ACTION which is punishable, not mere ownership or possession of arms.

And WRT illegals, I care not who comes to this country for any legitimate purpose, as long as they come through the front door we have provided and do not sneak in the back window. If they try that, they should not ever be allowed back in, period.

[Sonar5]

So I guess you have no problem with convicted felons who murdered people owning guns either, eh?

Or is that different?

Wow, that is some world you live in. I hope you enjoy it.

[dcwusmc]

I have no problem with a released EX-felon being able to protect himself.... IF he has fully paid for his crime. A murderer can never fully repay so, unless his crime was one which would not be repeated again, and had strong mitigating circumstances, he should not ever see the light of day again. Again, there is ZERO wiggle room in the phrase, "...SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED" None, zilch, nada. No room for ANY bits of government intrusion on ownership and possession of arms. It is ONLY THE MISUSE of a weapon that can call for action by state or local authorities. Comprende?

[lakey]

Is there still a Rancho California across Hwy 15? Or, did Temecula grab it up?

Rancho, & I believe it was Kaiser Steel that owned & incorporated that land with Ronald Reagan. There was a time when I could drive down Palomar Rd. scavenging fallen eucalyptus bark for my bee smoker, from Wildomar to Murrieta, waving to farmers chugging along on tractors.

A beautiful, serene area, lost to developers.