Posted on 09/04/2003 2:16:53 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
TAIPEI, Taiwan -- An alliance between Hewlett-Packard Co. and Chinese Linux developer Red Flag Software Co. Ltd. established last month should lead to cooperation between the two companies on technology development and marketing of Red Flag Linux to companies in China and around the world.
The announcement, made in Beijing on Aug. 20, strengthens a long-standing relationship between the two companies and represents a milestone in Red Flag's plans to expand its business outside the world's most populous country.
The two companies plan to first focus their cooperative efforts in China, and then expand their work to include Asia-Pacific and the rest of the world, according to a joint statement released last month by the two companies. No timeframe was given for when Red Flag plans to expand its enterprise software business beyond China.
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Well, once again, I'll just have to say I disagree. You have not made your case. Your arguments are unsound, and seem driven by a particular agenda.
And it seems I'm not alone in disagreeing with you.
I sure hope you're being compensated for this. Because it's really frightening to think someone could be *this* misguided honestly.
I totally disagree. In fact on this point (only time, ever) I actually agree with Harr that government sponsored software "business" will ultimately be way to slow to keep up with the economy produced model. That is why it is so important we do not allow the "economy" (HP in this case) to support Red China's custom Linux.
I don't see Loral's executives facing long prison terms for giving them access to advanced rocket technology suitable for modern ICBMs.
So it's all fair game then? You'd take a piece of the action if available? Sounds like it.
It would be child's play for Chinese intelligence to infiltrate the factories and offices of these companies and copy our designs.
No it wouldn't. Not if people would start locking our doors instead of just giving our stuff away. Americans are so spoiled and take so much for granted. If you grew up in the poverty outside our borders you might better appreciate the riches that lie within them,
You seem to have a very naive view of the world in this respect.
Hardly. I understand and respect the history of mankind, and how one must protect and defend themselves from outsiders. The feel good crowd just wants to pass it around the room, just share it with everyone, but that's not the way the die hard real world works. Whether you are ever exposed to this truth or even experience it for yourself I cannot know. I can just tell you that is exists.
I do not believe in patents
You're worse than I thought. Guess China should just back the truck up to the US patent office and start loading in your perfect world.
I buy American when American products are good...Don't be one of those suckers who encourages them to become less competitive by disregarding product quality and buying simply because the company is American.
THERE, you admitted it. probably without even knowing it, or even recognizing it now. Buy you flat out admitted your own selfish comfort is more important to you than things like the security of our country. Truely sad that you probably consider yourself a Patriot. But the priority of your own selfish concerns show you have have little stomach for something so common to a true Patriot - sacrifice for the good of us all.
Once again, perfect example of those whose association with Linux has caused them to sympathize with the Chicoms and support them over other Americans. Why don't you draw us a little picture of your fantasy and post it for everyone. Should be a big hit for you.
And you're basing this theory on what, exactly?
Absolutely I have an agenda. The protection of US citizens and their property. But yours seems to be allowing US companies like HP to customize computers for the Chinese government's software project. Not to mention that project could be using stolen trade secrets from Unix.
Personal experience. But this is pretty much common knowledge whether you refuse to accept or not.
M$ 'people' use M$ because it's simple. That was M$'s primary selling point when it was introduced, and is still it's #1 selling point today. Simplicity is unfortunately detrimental to security, but that is a separate point in this discussion other than it signifies M$ is simple to use, and that is why most people use it.
*nix is difficult, it's a b!tch to setup and use in comparison. I haven't (thankfully) had to log onto to one of those terminals in years, although some guys on my distributed team still manage some. But *nix is intricately more customizable. And allows more low-level access/features.
This is where the worm writters live. They love the intricate details of designing these elaborate and sneaky attacks. And *nix by it's nature attracks these people. This is not a condemnation of all *nix people. We have some great ones on staff. But guys that dream up stuff like w00t and other hacker lingo aren't the M$ guys. The M$ guys left their computers at home or the office and headed for the beach instead of practicing attacks between their usergroup buddies.
Check any hacker hangout online for further proof. They all hate M$ and mostly run Linux. Somewhere in that crowd is where all this virus crap comes from.
If you are such a patriot, why did you pick the golden eagle, the symbol of National Socialist Germany as your moniker and not the American BALD EAGLE? Does your admiration of the symbol of a NAZI bird translate into admiration of FASCIST software company?
Digital Rights Management is coming...
My actual position is that SCO and the Red Chinese bureaucrats are cut from the same cloth. My dream would be to see the lawyers on one side and the bureaucrats on the other bash each other to pieces in a cage match. Long live free software!
HP is not "giving" Linux to China. It's already open-source. All they're doing is collaborating on producing a localized (Chinese-language) version of the OS. The more the Chinese use Linux, the more small and medium businesses - i.e., capitalists - win.
This is a geo issue. In the Americas and most of Asia Pacific, Red Hat is king when it comes to Linux (although TurboLinux still has a major following in Japan). In EMEA (Europe Asia Middle East), you have SuSE as a major player....one that's making significant inroads into the Americas as well for various reasons. Red Flag is the big dog in China and making their own inroads in other Asian markets.
It's a damned operating system, folks. When in Rome................so to equate this as treason on the part of HP or anyone else is ridiculous.
How pathetic your accusations have become. Doesn't deserve a response, and you might as well not even try another guess.
Maybe a little better. At least you're not crushing them with the Red Army tanks you were previously dreaming about.
HP is not "giving" Linux to China. It's already open-source.
Red Flag Linux is now more proprietary to the Chicoms since they are not releasing their source for security reasons. HP should not be allowed to help them develop their internal systems even further.
All they're doing is collaborating on producing a localized (Chinese-language) version of the OS. The more the Chinese use Linux, the more small and medium businesses - i.e., capitalists - win.
Completely incorrect. Software capitalists aren't winning a single thing in this deal, especially not in the USA.
No not really. I had hoped that you could grasp the simple point that you're obsessing about an OS when really important technology has been or is being taken. Why don't you get off your high horse about Linux and get pissed off about Loral freely giving away their commercial rocket technology to the Chinese, or at least making it so easy for the taking that it was criminal.
No it wouldn't. Not if people would start locking our doors instead of just giving our stuff away. Americans are so spoiled and take so much for granted. If you grew up in the poverty outside our borders you might better appreciate the riches that lie within them,
Naive. So naive it's scary. If the PLA and Chinese Intel put operatives into those factories over time they can steal a few parts here, a few parts there off the assembly lines and figure out how to build our tech. They could easily do the same with software development companies. How do you know the PLA hasn't already gotten infiltrators in Microsoft's Chinese unit? Corporate security versus professional intelligence agents is a losing proposition for corporations.
You're worse than I thought. Guess China should just back the truck up to the US patent office and start loading in your perfect world.
This coming from someone who uses foreigner with such viciousness and disgust....
We shouldn't have even a fair trade agreement with China let alone a free trade agreement. Any country that uses slave labor and/or commits the number of human rights violations that they do should not be one of our trade partners.
Buy you flat out admitted your own selfish comfort is more important to you than things like the security of our country.
Capitalism and its accompanying political philosophies encourage selfishness and discourage altruism-the sacrifice of the self for others out of a sense of obligation whose basis in truth is ephemeral at best. I am not beholden to corporate American by sheer fact that I am an American citizen. Your kind is the antithesis of capitalism. You advocate voting with your wallet for products that are inferior just because they're American. Nowhere do you encourage rewarding a product because it is excellent, only because of the country of origin.
Truely sad that you probably consider yourself a Patriot.
This coming from someone who in so many posts has made no bones about how he considers foreigners to be the scum of the Earth when they compete against America.
But the priority of your own selfish concerns show you have have little stomach for something so common to a true Patriot - sacrifice for the good of us all.
And what if your good is consistently not my good? What you advocate is a slavish devotion to the collective wherein the individual consigns his or her desires and capabilities to whatever "the group" wants. It's ironic that you advocate such a perverted form of patriotism and yet condemn the Chinese. What you have advocated here is nothing less than the same collectivist mentality that keeps the Chicoms in power.
Die Amerika Uber Alles! Sorry, had to say it it seemed so fitting as an addendum to your post..... :)
CHINESE capitalists are the ones who win. If you want to f* the bloated corpse of Communism, you'll support the fastest possible deployment of the Internet and prevasive, open-source, uncensorable, IT technology to Chinese businesses.
Now why is it not surprising to me that you oppose HP being allowed to actually choose what it preloads on its hardware?
Well not exactly. But next year at InterOp, have a stand out in the lobby and offer 10 free copies of Windows XP, and 10 free copies of Red Flag Linux. Limit participation to females, and only allow them to register for the drawing of either Windows or Linux, but not both. Look at who is registering for what, and tell me who looks more like Baywatch then.
Linux beauties exist, but are more likely to be working on their systems than on their tan, which was the original point. A crude example indeed, but one I'm confident in.
Indeed, one of my best friends fits that description
I've made this point to no avail. Time-sharing computer operating systems have been around for almost 40 years, UNIX over 30 years.
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